Player Features and Ideas Discussion

One particular aspect of risk aversion that I have bumped into repeatedly through my 6 years in EVE, is the fear of loosing expensive implants in PVP, while at the same time want to train skills as fast as possible. In more elite PVP organizations, the use of low- and high-grade pirate implant sets also restricts training speed. Outside of these, most people will fight in “naked” or low-cost implanted clones for financial reasons (a full +5 set will set you back over half a billion ISK). Many will therefore maintain a “training” clone with high grade attribute enhancers which they jump into from time to time to speed up training. What often happens however is that people will jump into their training clones because they want to train that particular skill to get into that new shiny toy that much faster, and will subsequently be unavailable for PVP.

High-seccers on contrast, enjoys a de-facto training advantage because they can live their EVE existence in +4 or +5 clones with little risk, thus gaining more than 75 thousand skillpoints a week more than their “naked clone” nullsec counterparts.

So, I propose to introduce new cerebral accelerator boosters (CABs), which are boosters consumed with a 1 week expiry period. These boosters will not be compatible with standard (+4) or improved (+5) attribute implants, so if you are already in a high gain clone, you can’t enhance your training speed further (they will however, be compatible with cerebral accelerators issued to new pilots) The CABs come in 4 different flavors, as follows (naming convention adapted from meta 1-4 modules):

Upgraded CAB: Gives a +2 attribute modifier to all attributes for a week. Can be used alone, or in conjunction with limited (+1), limited – beta (+2), basic (+3), low-grade and high-grade pirate implants. Target price: 10 million.

Limited CAB: Gives a +3 attribute modifier to all attributes for a week. Can be used alone, or in conjunction with limited (+1), limited – beta (+2) and low-grade pirate implants. Target price: 15 million.

Experimental CAB: Gives a +4 attribute modifier to all attributes for a week. Can be used alone or in conjunction with limited (+1) attribute implants. Target price: 20 million.

Prototype CAB: Gives a +5 attribute modifier to all attributes for a week. Not compatible with any other attributes modifying implant. Target price: 25 million.

The price is calculated at a rate of 330 isk per skillpoint, which is comparable with spending a plex to train a character for a month.

This will ensure that people, even when in a low gain PVP clone or a pirate implant set, can still have the option to train at full speed. The combination of implants and CABs will never exceed +5. Boosters die with the clone, so if you are podded, its effects will stop.

Ideally, these will be player manufactured in existing druglabs, maybe restricting highsec druglabs to making upgraded and limited CABs (I haven’t given much thought to the production aspect I will admit).

People don't play this game to gain SP, they play to have fun

Why not remove alle the +n on every implant and give it to alle pilots.
This would leave the various low- and high-grades to those who utilize thier (digital) brain a bit more than others.

They are kind of mandatory anyways. So why Keep something that is basically used by everyone and only used more by those who can afford more?
Yes the rich need something to spend their monies on, but why does it have to be something like this? Why not ships to blow up and have fun in?

Expensive +5s aren't the issue here. The real problem is a 1-month old newbie can't go welp a bunch of T1 frigs in lowsec because they have expensive (to them) +3 or +4 stat implants in their head that they can't afford to lose, but at the same time they can't afford to not plug them in because at that point they need all the SP they can get. It's a massive disincentive for new players to go engage in PvP.

So are instalock gatecamps, black ops and titan bridges onto month old solo cruisers, people dropping supers on said cruisers, people blobbing new players, people fighting noob frigates with HG crystaled hawks, etc.

+2s are basically free even to the newest players, and +3s are cheap once you can do level 3s

Well guys, this isnt a thread about whats wrong with implants. And although I can sympatize with a view to get rid of attributes alltogheter, this thread operates within the parametres of the current status quo. So make your own thread about that you lazy bastards

You want to PvP and you want to do this and that, but you don't want to suffer the penalties that come with it? No one is forcing you to not put implants in your head. If you can't afford to replace them every time you get podded, that's your loss.

But don't come around here telling us how we should all get nerfed and have our training and play style changed, because you can't get over getting podded with implants.

While I find the idea of having attribute implants removed entirely not bad per se, it's not really viable either. You would essentially have to remove all pirate implants as well, or at least remove the attribute bonus on them, leaving only the skill hardwirings. Besides, why should people with pirate implants get both the pirate implant bonus AND the attribute bonus that comes from plugging in improved attribute implants? The trade off you make is getting the pirate bonus, rather than 2 extra attribute points. You don't get to have both .

Then on the other hand, risking your pod and thus implants is the price you pay for PvPing. It's always been like that. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. The same goes for implants. If you want a life of risk, pay the price.

A set of +3 implants costs like 15mill anyway, so it's not like it's that expensive. As for the newbie players, you get a set of implants from just doing the starter missions. So they are essentially free to them. I think+4s are 20ish mill a piece and you only need 2 for the primary stats you are training with anyway.

Newbies are free to join RvB. We have a no podding rule so they can still experience PvP without having to worry about their implants.

If they want to live the life of a pirate or go to null and fight for space, then they will have to pay the price and pay for the risk that comes with it. With the money they can make in null, it shouldn't be much of a problem to spend 10mill on 2+3 implants or 40mill on 2+4 implants when they get podded

It is already possible for everybody, everywhere so your solution to a problem that doesn't even exist changes exactly nothing.

I see what the problem is. You're one of those "I want everything, with all advantages, without having to compromise ever" kind of players.

Says the guy whose alliance policies are completely designed around everyone being able to use +5's and not getting podded despite being at war 100% of the time.