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SUGGESTIONS: PLEX FOR ATTRIBUTES REMAPING!

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To Be Me
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-12-05 15:04:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
To Be Me wrote:
How can you bypass anything which you cant do?
Your question is nonsensical.

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You cant plex for remaps at the moment. So you cant bypass anything.
If it becomes a game mechanic then
…it bypasses the game mechanics already in place. After all, that's exactly the result you're after: you don't want to be bothered by attributes — you want to bypass that game mechanic.

The fact that you're not asking them to simply remove attributes suggests that you already know, consciously or intuitively, why this will never happen and why it's a bad idea. So asking them to sneak it in (and fail to do so because it's so blatantly obvious) in an infinitely worse way is pretty silly.

Come up with a reason why the game mechanic you so dislike should be removed from the game and then argue for its removal. Bypassing game mechanics for cash is always the wrong answer.



Already said, buying isks with your credit card wasnt a game mechanic, the fact that people wanted to do it, meant to bypass a game mechanic.

Now its a game mechanic.


Lost your argument again, as I said.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2013-12-05 15:06:11 UTC
To Be Me wrote:
Already said, buying isks with your credit card wasnt a game mechanic
…and it still isn't.
To Be Me
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-12-05 15:08:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
To Be Me wrote:
Already said, buying isks with your credit card wasnt a game mechanic
…and it still isn't.


A PLEX is meant to bypass that.


Lost again.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2013-12-05 15:10:44 UTC
To Be Me wrote:
A PLEX is meant to bypass that.
No, it really isn't, nor does it.

Quite the opposite in fact: PLEX and GTCs are there to ensure that game mechanics are not being bypassed.
To Be Me
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-12-05 15:13:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
To Be Me wrote:
A PLEX is meant to bypass that.
No, it really isn't, nor does it.

Quite the opposite in fact: PLEX and GTCs are there to ensure that game mechanics are not being bypassed.


Exactly

Thats why PLEX for remap is a good idea.


PLEX will ensure game mechanics are not being bypassed.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2013-12-05 15:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
To Be Me wrote:
Exactly
So you understand why making it bypass game mechanics all of a sudden is a bad idea.

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Thats why PLEX for remap is a good idea.
PLEX will ensure game mechanics are not being bypassed.
…except that it would bypass game mechanics, which would be a bad idea.

Again, I have to ask: if you want them to remove attributes, why aren't you simply asking them to remove attributes?
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-12-05 15:21:31 UTC
Last time this was suggested it only lit the forums on fire (CCP backpedaling)... what could possibly go wrong this time.

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To Be Me
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-12-05 15:24:57 UTC  |  Edited by: To Be Me
Tippia wrote:
To Be Me wrote:
Exactly
So you understand why making it bypass game mechanics all of a sudden is a bad idea.

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Thats why PLEX for remap is a good idea.
PLEX will ensure game mechanics are not being bypassed.
…except that it would bypass game mechanics, which would be a bad idea.

Again, I have to ask: if you want them to remove attributes, why aren't you simply asking them to remove attributes?



You lost your argument and you know it,.. stop trying, youre making yourself look like a fool.


Lots of game mechanics in this game became a game mechanic because of people wanting to bypass them one way or another.

Now they are game mechanics.



Same with plex for remap, it will be a game mechanic if CCP decides.
Same with plex for dual character training, now its a game mechanic.
Same with plex for game time.
Same with plex for isks.
etc

Only speaking of PLEX here.. theres so many others game mechanics that now are game mechanics but once people used to try to bypass them one way or another.


So Tippia, your point is 100% invalid.
Oh wait, you dont have a point....

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2013-12-05 15:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
To Be Me wrote:
Lots of game mechanics in this game became a game mechanic because of people wanting to bypass them one way or another.

Now they are game mechanics.
…such as…? The only one I can think of that even remotely qualifies is warp-to-zero, which is a case where they removed the offending mechanic rather than bypass it. So again, I have to ask: if you want them to remove attributes, why aren't you simply asking them to remove attributes?

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Same with plex for remap, it will be a game mechanic if CCP decides.
…which they won't since they got the message clearly the first time they suggested it and because they've realised that paying money to bypass game mechanics is a horribly idiotic idea no matter what.

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Same with plex for dual character training, now its a game mechanic.
Same with plex for game time.
Same with plex for isks.
…none of which bypass game mechanics.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-12-05 17:02:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
To Be Me wrote:
You already pay money to bypass game mechanis
No, you really can't.

Everything you think of as “bypassing game mechanics” hinges on the game mechanics having been followed to the letter.


So you are contradicting your first statement then. How is plex for remapping bypassing any game mechanic? You still have to go through the same mechanic to do it. You are more like accelerating it.

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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-12-05 17:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
Tippia

[quote wrote:
Same with plex for remap, it will be a game mechanic if CCP decides.
…which they won't since they got the message clearly the first time they suggested it and because they've realised that paying money to bypass game mechanics is a horribly idiotic idea no matter what.

.[/quote]

Not everyone disagreed, its a matter of opinion isnt it, and thats your opinion if you didnt like the idea. i am quite happy with it, since CCP seem to screw us vets by all the changes they do to make things easier for new players. The reason CCP didnt do it wasnt because of the majority didnt want it, its the usual suspects and hardliners that make the noise and whine like babies which in fact are the minority, they just shout louder.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2013-12-05 17:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
tiberiusric wrote:
So you are contradicting your first statement then.
Not really, no. At the moment, there is no way to bypass any game mechanics by paying for it.

…well, unless you count unauthorised schemes such as buying code injection tools and botting programs.

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How is plex for remapping bypassing any game mechanic?
It bypasses the mechanic that regulates when and how you can maximise your training speed by adjusting your attributes. As such, it bypasses the attribute mechanic altogether since, simply by paying money, you always have the perfect attributes for whatever it is you wish to train, no matter how obscure a combination it is. You therefore always train at max speed no matter what — the mechanics that are there to ensure that this can't happen no longer apply to you for no other reason than because you've chipped in a bit of cash.

This is a very bad thing.

Personally, I would like to be able to pay a PLEX to no longer have the ISK mechanic apply to me… that would also be a bad thing for much the same reason.

tiberiusric wrote:
The reason CCP didnt do it wasnt because of the majority didnt want it, its the usual suspects and hardliners that make the noise and whine like babies which in fact are the minority, they just shout louder.
…and you have something other than sour grapes to prove any of this, I presume?
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#33 - 2013-12-05 17:14:21 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Do away with attributes and learning implants. Then change learning speed bonuses to boosters that last X amount of days. Less PVP inhibition and a good quality of life enhancement.



not a bad idea actually. on the plex for remap. Do you really expect people to pay a plex for a remap? i think remaps should be more available however. once a year is crazy. I like the idea that you should be able to boost when needed at x price.

Put that in assembly hall La Nariz



Yes, people would pay a PLEX for a remap. I know I would... I just got a character off the Character Bazaar and forgot to check the attributes. For some odd reason, they had 31 charisma without implants, and many months before a new remap is available, lol. My fault for forgetting to check, but like I said, would buy a remap if it was available.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2013-12-05 17:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
Tippia wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
So you are contradicting your first statement then.
Not really, no. At the moment, there is no way to bypass any game mechanics by paying for it.

…well, unless you count unauthorised schemes such as buying code injection tools and botting programs.

Quote:
How is plex for remapping bypassing any game mechanic?
It bypasses the mechanic that regulates when and how you can maximise your training speed by adjusting your attributes. As such, it bypasses the attribute mechanic altogether since, simply by paying money, you always have the perfect attributes for whatever it is you wish to train, no matter how obscure a combination it is. You therefore always train at max speed no matter what — the mechanics that are there to ensure that this can't happen no longer apply to you for no other reason than because you've chipped in a bit of cash.

This is a very bad thing.

Personally, I would like to be able to pay a PLEX to no longer have the ISK mechanic apply to me… that would also be a bad thing for much the same reason.

tiberiusric wrote:
The reason CCP didnt do it wasnt because of the majority didnt want it, its the usual suspects and hardliners that make the noise and whine like babies which in fact are the minority, they just shout louder.
…and you have something other than sour grapes to prove any of this, I presume?


How do you know that the idea wouldnt just allow the remap? The OP doesnt make any statement about giving perfect attributes at all, youre making assumptions. The topic is Plex for Attributes Remapping - thats it. I read that as allow me to do a remap as i dont want to wait 6 months. So as usual you make these things up in your head. Therefore your argument about avoiding mechanics is void. As to me it would just enable the option, the mechanic to remap would be the same.

and Sour Grapes? really? I think anyone who had sour grapes was yourself with your - 'idiotic idea' statement. That comment above just goes to prove what i said was right, otherwise why would i have sour grapes. The fact is there are groups of players in eve that cause shall we say 'issues' everytime something doesnt go there way. Like yourself.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2013-12-05 17:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
tiberiusric wrote:
How do you know that the idea wouldnt just allow the remap? The OP doesnt make any statement about giving perfect attributes at all, youre making assumptions.
Ehhrrrmm… you do understand what remaps do, right? Ugh

It's not an assumption. It's literally the entire point of the remap mechanic. That is also why its use is so circumscribed: because you're not supposed to have perfect attributes for everything at all times.

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The topic is Plex for Attributes Remapping - thats it. I read that as allow me to do a remap as i dont want to wait 6 months.
…which means that you're paying to never have anything other than the perfect attributes for whatever it is you want to train at the moment. You are bypassing the mechanic that is there to ensure that you can't do that; that the attributes have meaning; that you have to plan your skills and weigh (time) cost against benefit.

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and Sour Grapes? really?
It sure sounded like it.
So do you have any proof for your claims other than a sour-grapes-sounding assumption of a “silent majority”?
Lina Theist
Running out of Space
ExoGenesis Consortium
#36 - 2013-12-05 17:26:45 UTC
Stop dumbing down eve. Remaps are fine, implants are fine, hell, even learning skills were fine. I like to maximize my sp/h as much as the next fella, but simplifying learning is a step in the wrong direction.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2013-12-05 17:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
Tippia wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
How do you know that the idea wouldnt just allow the remap? The OP doesnt make any statement about giving perfect attributes at all, youre making assumptions.
Ehhrrrmm… you do understand what remaps do, right? Ugh

It's not an assumption. It's literally the entire point of the remap mechanic.

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The topic is Plex for Attributes Remapping - thats it. I read that as allow me to do a remap as i dont want to wait 6 months.
…which means that you're paying to never have anything other than the perfect attributes for whatever it is you want to train at the moment. You are bypassing the mechanic that is there to ensure that you can't do that; that the attributes have meaning; that you have to plan your skills and weigh (time) cost against benefit.

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and Sour Grapes? really?
It sure sounded like it.
So do you have any proof of your claims other than a sour-grapes-sounding assumption of a “silent majority”?



Wow, I give up. Im clearly dealing with someone with learning difficulties.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2013-12-05 17:28:32 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Wow, I gave up.
So that's a “no” then.

You don't understand how remaps work or what they're for, and you have nothing to prove your claims.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2013-12-05 17:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
Tippia wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Wow, I gave up.
So that's a “no” then.

You don't understand how remaps work or what they're for, and you have nothing to prove your claims.


I tend not to argue with children, its a pointless exercise. You need something for that ADHD, are you getting medical treatment?

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2013-12-05 17:32:31 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
You need something for that ADHD, are you getting medical treatment?
So you back up your lack of proof with more assumptions and fallacies, since you have no way of actually addressing the points being made.

So my interpretation of your post and position was spot on then. Goodie.

My suggestion is that you go and google around a bit, maybe read a wiki or two, and learn what remapping does. It should help you immensely in understanding the topic at hand.
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