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HAN 50LO
Corellian engineering
#1 - 2013-12-04 18:46:16 UTC
I am curious as to why they are being destroyed in high sec and then the planets left without them.

i am assuming there are reasons for this . Anyone care to elaborate :)
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-12-04 19:08:57 UTC
Who cares for reasons, grab a gantry and claim that ****!

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Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#3 - 2013-12-04 21:04:55 UTC
Not sure, maybe they plan to swoop in and anchor a whole swarm of them quickly?

Maybe they just want to disrupt the PI market?

No idea.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-12-05 00:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
As far as I can tell there is a group of players systematically purging every highsec region of NPC controlled customs office for the simple reason, that they can and are enjoying it.
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
#5 - 2013-12-05 02:09:12 UTC
The supply is there, just going out there and creating a demand.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2013-12-05 03:13:38 UTC
HAN 50LO wrote:
I am curious as to why they are being destroyed in high sec and then the planets left without them.

i am assuming there are reasons for this . Anyone care to elaborate :)


Yep. You haven't replaced them yet.

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Square PI
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-12-05 11:22:55 UTC
HAN 50LO wrote:
I am curious as to why they are being destroyed in high sec and then the planets left without them.

i am assuming there are reasons for this . Anyone care to elaborate :)



I just have a guess. But maybe because you can? :)
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-12-05 13:25:12 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
As far as I can tell there is a group of players systematically purging every highsec region of NPC controlled customs office for the simple reason, that they can and are enjoying it.


Bull, no-one enjoys sitting on a structure for half an hour doing absolutely nothing.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-12-05 14:40:08 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
As far as I can tell there is a group of players systematically purging every highsec region of NPC controlled customs office for the simple reason, that they can and are enjoying it.


Bull, no-one enjoys sitting on a structure for half an hour doing absolutely nothing.


Unless they want to see threads like this one.

Putting a POCO on most planets in high sec will have a pay back measured in years if ever. Most high sec PI happens near trade hubs. Those are the places for big profits from high sec POCO's.
Some deviants refuse to knuckle under their new overlords and try and do PI off the beaten track.
Destroying those CO's gives them 2 choices. Return to the player owned ones or sink stupid amounts of isk into building their own on a planet that will like never pay back that investment.
Faced with this self evident dynamic it remains a mystery as to why they would destroy and not replace........

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brinelan
#10 - 2013-12-05 15:25:03 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
As far as I can tell there is a group of players systematically purging every highsec region of NPC controlled customs office for the simple reason, that they can and are enjoying it.


Bull, no-one enjoys sitting on a structure for half an hour doing absolutely nothing.


People enjoy mining and it isn't that much different then structure grinding...
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#11 - 2013-12-05 16:29:51 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
As far as I can tell there is a group of players systematically purging every highsec region of NPC controlled customs office for the simple reason, that they can and are enjoying it.


Bull, no-one enjoys sitting on a structure for half an hour doing absolutely nothing.


Unless they want to see threads like this one.

Putting a POCO on most planets in high sec will have a pay back measured in years if ever. Most high sec PI happens near trade hubs. Those are the places for big profits from high sec POCO's.
Some deviants refuse to knuckle under their new overlords and try and do PI off the beaten track.
Destroying those CO's gives them 2 choices. Return to the player owned ones or sink stupid amounts of isk into building their own on a planet that will like never pay back that investment.
Faced with this self evident dynamic it remains a mystery as to why they would destroy and not replace........
Actually, as an owner of several factory planets near hubs, I can confirm that PI seems to be naff everywhere. The best one I have will take a little over 3 months to return it's cost. I'm hoping someone approaches my alt to buy them to save on the wardec fee. Maybe the ones closest to Jita are getting better income streams, but ones more than a couple of jumps out and ones even a single jump from other hubs seem to be shite.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-12-06 03:27:28 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
As far as I can tell there is a group of players systematically purging every highsec region of NPC controlled customs office for the simple reason, that they can and are enjoying it.


Bull, no-one enjoys sitting on a structure for half an hour doing absolutely nothing.

I don't think anyone is doing that. We're talking about a target with 10 mil shield HP and about 4,5 mil armor+structure HP. Any realistic estimate will make it a several hour long operation for a single high DPS ship. This means it's extremely unlikely anyone doing it will actually stay at the computer staring at the screen in boredom. All they'd have to do is spend a few minutes half a dozen time a day to be able keep shooting almost non-stop, while being able to have fun and even go to work without much efficiency loss. When they want to play actively, all they'd have to do is form a fleet and if they have sufficient numbers, they could burn through them in minutes.

The whole thing is sort of pointless though, but this is a sandbox and many things people do in this game are odd or done for non-profitable reasons. They might enjoy the minor drama it causes or gain pocket change from the market changes, but I don't think anyone will waste weeks of their personal play time on this unless they also get some personal satisfaction from doing it.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-06 03:37:14 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
As far as I can tell there is a group of players systematically purging every highsec region of NPC controlled customs office for the simple reason, that they can and are enjoying it.


Bull, no-one enjoys sitting on a structure for half an hour doing absolutely nothing.

I don't think anyone is doing that. We're talking about a target with 10 mil shield HP and about 4,5 mil armor+structure HP. Any realistic estimate will make it a several hour long operation for a single high DPS ship.

I would think that "a group of players" kinda implies the opposite of "a single high DPS ship".
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-12-06 10:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
I guess the reason is ven more simple than "because they can".

I bet those guys just want to push their Killboards, because you get a KM for every NPC CO and it's worth 200M ISK.

Roll

Edit: I think that's just stupid, but at the end EvE is a game and everybody should and can doe what he feels like is fun. Roll
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#15 - 2013-12-08 06:48:01 UTC
Just launch them from a pad, the market is gonna be right for it

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Talia Valta
ValtaTeleVisuals
#16 - 2013-12-09 12:19:05 UTC
I think the investment would be the savings from not having to pay a high tax rate (Interbus has 17%).

Destroy the poco, place your own, set up PI, not pay yourself tax rates whilst, everyone else does.

hmmm, do NPC poco's have reinforcement timers?
Servjen
Giant Industrials
Center for Digital Chemistry
#17 - 2013-12-09 15:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Servjen
Talia Valta wrote:
I think the investment would be the savings from not having to pay a high tax rate (Interbus has 17%).

Destroy the poco, place your own, set up PI, not pay yourself tax rates whilst, everyone else does.

hmmm, do NPC poco's have reinforcement timers?


No, they do not.

HAN 50LO wrote:
I am curious as to why they are being destroyed in high sec and then the planets left without them.

i am assuming there are reasons for this . Anyone care to elaborate :)


If you can tell me where those planets are whe happy to provide it whit a POCO. Whe have very fair taxes.

This is where I put my signature, right?
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2013-12-09 18:35:06 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
As far as I can tell there is a group of players systematically purging every highsec region of NPC controlled customs office for the simple reason, that they can and are enjoying it.


Bull, no-one enjoys sitting on a structure for half an hour doing absolutely nothing.


Unless they want to see threads like this one.

Putting a POCO on most planets in high sec will have a pay back measured in years if ever.


If you are looking for POCO taxes to pay for the POCO, there is a very long payback period. If you are using the POCO yourself though, you can included the "taxes you no longer have to pay" as part of the POCO earnings, which means a POCO can pay for itself in weeks or less.