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Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#1 - 2013-12-05 11:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dreygun
I have been conducting research over the past few weeks as a side project from my usual sleeper related studies. A disturbing situation has been rising...

Insanity. I have noticed several instances surface even here in the IGS over just the past few days.

here

and here

These two are just a sampling, of this particular phenomenon. I have noticed the condition only surfaces in Capsuleers suggesting there could be some sort of link between capsule tech or cloning and this condition. Obviously, if true this represents the gravest concern.

As of yet my statistical studies have not been completed so I cannot determine if this trend is in an upswing or not, but it is safe to assume if the condition is surfacing even in the small population here it can be assumed the issue is occurring on a massive scale throughout the rest of New Eden.

It is with this in mind that I am interested in creating a ... task force... if you will. I have tentatively dubbed the venture the Insanity Research Partnership, or IRP for short.

This group will be a volunteer collective with leadership being given over to whomever is most qualified. My current research obligations prevents me from heading the task force up full time.

I would propose that possible uses of this task force would be to isolate and capture suffering pilots and perform testing. The venture would likely have to take said pilots by force, due to the disease nature most of the pilots seem unaware that they are confused. The testing would likely result in the death of the clone, however it is possible that psychological intervention could provide results.

I am open to all suggestions as to the best way to proceed, but I cannot stress the importance of this venture enough. If the epidemic continues it could threaten the very survival of the cluster.
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#2 - 2013-12-05 12:51:04 UTC
I'm no psychologist or scientist of any kind, but I'm very familiar with the effects of booster abuse.

From the examples you've given, I'd say this looks like the kind of dementia associated with Drop, especially in regard to the agitation with unknown entities and concepts, which themselves are probably hallucinations that Drop commonly induces.

I'd also consider exposure to cytoserocin and mykoserocin gas as this can have unpredictable effects. Our boss tends our reactors and silos personally during the "cooking" process of these gases and he can get really weird. Sometimes he gets violent, sometimes he just sits there, staring out into space for days. A few times I've had to lead the Caravan because he's a gibbering mess.

If this condition is drug-related, I'd be very careful of forcefully capturing those afflicted.
Furthermore, as stated in the recent thread about sidearms and martial training, most capsuleers keep a personal security detail close by.

It'll be interesting to read what other theories there are concerning this.

(Oh and I should just clarify that Clan Katanga's booster products are perfectly safe when used responsibly.)

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master

Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#3 - 2013-12-05 13:05:41 UTC
Karynn Denton wrote:
I'm no psychologist or scientist of any kind, but I'm very familiar with the effects of booster abuse.

From the examples you've given, I'd say this looks like the kind of dementia associated with Drop, especially in regard to the agitation with unknown entities and concepts, which themselves are probably hallucinations that Drop commonly induces.

I'd also consider exposure to cytoserocin and mykoserocin gas as this can have unpredictable effects. Our boss tends our reactors and silos personally during the "cooking" process of these gases and he can get really weird. Sometimes he gets violent, sometimes he just sits there, staring out into space for days. A few times I've had to lead the Caravan because he's a gibbering mess.

If this condition is drug-related, I'd be very careful of forcefully capturing those afflicted.
Furthermore, as stated in the recent thread about sidearms and martial training, most capsuleers keep a personal security detail close by.

It'll be interesting to read what other theories there are concerning this.

(Oh and I should just clarify that Clan Katanga's booster products are perfectly safe when used responsibly.)



As with any psychological assessment, booster and any other drug use will need to be screened for. As someone familiar with booster science, would you be able to provide technical support on possible testing methods to screen pilots for boosters present in their blood or tissue. The tests would likely need to be performed at autopsy.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#4 - 2013-12-05 13:10:13 UTC
Werent you the individual talking about murdering people en masse, and worrying that you wouldnt be paid for them?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#5 - 2013-12-05 13:15:28 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Werent you the individual talking about murdering people en masse, and worrying that you wouldnt be paid for them?



Sadly yes, though that was more a result of cultural upbringing than actual psychosis. I wish I could blame the mistakes of my past on a temporary psychosis. If mass murder constituted psychosis then I am afraid all capsuleers would meet diagnostic criteria, actually after some thought, I am sure many organizations would make that very assertion.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#6 - 2013-12-05 13:20:50 UTC
I won't condone nor condemn murder outright, been known to slip into a lil bloodlust myself at times, but don't you think before you start kidnapping or killing folks in the name of research you might, uhmm, I dunno ... ask if they'd like help?

I'm still a bit worried about you, Mr Dreygun sir.

But I see you've recently hooked up with the fine folks over at ALXVP. That gives me a lil more comfort. Hopefully they can keep your maniacal or drug-fueled urges in check.

Or not. *shrug*

Anyway, back to what I was doing ...

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#7 - 2013-12-05 13:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dreygun
Erica Dusette wrote:
I won't condone nor condemn murder outright, been known to slip into a lil bloodlust myself at times, but don't you think before you start kidnapping or killing folks in the name of research you might, uhmm, I dunno ... ask if they'd like help?

I'm still a bit worried about you, Mr Dreygun sir.

But I see you've recently hooked up with the fine folks over at ALXVP. That gives me a lil more comfort. Hopefully they can keep your maniacal or drug-fueled urges in check.

Or not. *shrug*

Anyway, back to what I was doing ...


Hmm, perhaps I was unclear. I inferred that in all likelihood the clone in question would be killed, as taking a capsuleer against his or her will would be rather difficult and psychosis tends to lend itself to not being cooperative. However, I would certainly suggest attempting to perform the assessment willingly and I would hope that treatment can be delivered in a meaningful way without destruction of the clone.

I can assure you, there is no drug fueled urge here. Simply a concern based on observations. My intensity is merely a product of fear. I certainly don't want to be a victim of this condition in the future and I am sure none of the other capsuleers do either.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#8 - 2013-12-05 13:47:15 UTC
Fear?

My Dreygun you live in deep space. Every day you're faced with the unknown in so many different ways. Do you run from the wormhole as a result of these unknowns? Of course not.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself, sir.

You are isolated from most politics, wars, diseases, and even idiots. I'd say try and focus on those people closest to you and the events that surround your daily life, rather than those who remain in Empire or the pandemics it faces. I dunno about you but I left that forsaken place some time ago and never looked back. It serves my needs now, when I choose it too. It's freedom, Mr Dreygun, and yet also control.

I admire your passion for research sir, even if at the expense of your own health or mental well being. But it is your fellow pilots who need you most, not random lunatics and drug addicts staggering around the space lanes of Empire, or dribbling while posting garbage on the galnet through bloodshot eyes. Those people, and that crap, will always be here sir - and this is exactly why we choose to live in deep space, no?

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#9 - 2013-12-05 13:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dreygun
Erica Dusette wrote:
Fear?

My Dreygun you live in deep space. Every day you're faced with the unknown in so many different ways. Do you run from the wormhole as a result of these unknowns? Of course not.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself, sir.

You are isolated from most politics, wars, diseases, and even idiots. I'd say try and focus on those people closest to you and the events that surround your daily life, rather than those who remain in Empire or the pandemics it faces. I dunno about you but I left that forsaken place some time ago and never looked back. It serves my needs now, when I choose it too. It's freedom, Mr Dreygun, and yet also control.

I admire your passion for research sir, even if at the expense of your own health or mental well being. But it is your fellow pilots who need you most, not random lunatics and drug addicts staggering around the space lanes of Empire, or dribbling while posting garbage on the galnet through bloodshot eyes. Those people, and that crap, will always be here sir - and this is exactly why we choose to live in deep space, no?



Very true. An inspired point of view.

I however would have to say that its not fear of the people who are insane that I was speaking of. No those people are the ones in need of help. No the fear I have is for my own sanity. If this is an actual epidemic that affects only capsuleers then it could happen to anyone. I hope to prove that its just drugs or random people that are predisposed, but if it is in fact something that can occur in anyone then it is out obligation to each other to do everything in our power to find a cure, or at least a way to prevent its spread.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#10 - 2013-12-05 14:02:01 UTC
Dreygun wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Fear?

My Dreygun you live in deep space. Every day you're faced with the unknown in so many different ways. Do you run from the wormhole as a result of these unknowns? Of course not.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself, sir.

You are isolated from most politics, wars, diseases, and even idiots. I'd say try and focus on those people closest to you and the events that surround your daily life, rather than those who remain in Empire or the pandemics it faces. I dunno about you but I left that forsaken place some time ago and never looked back. It serves my needs now, when I choose it too. It's freedom, Mr Dreygun, and yet also control.

I admire your passion for research sir, even if at the expense of your own health or mental well being. But it is your fellow pilots who need you most, not random lunatics and drug addicts staggering around the space lanes of Empire, or dribbling while posting garbage on the galnet through bloodshot eyes. Those people, and that crap, will always be here sir - and this is exactly why we choose to live in deep space, no?



Very true. An inspired point of view.

I however would have to say that its not fear of the people who are insane that I was speaking of. No those people are the ones in need of help. No the fear I have is for my own sanity. If this is an actual epidemic that affects only capsuleers then it could happen to anyone. I hope to prove that its just drugs or random people that are predisposed, but if it is in fact something that can occur in anyone then it is out obligation to each other to do everything in our power to find a cure, or at least a way to prevent its spread.

Well so far I've seen the occasional crazy person posting strange stuff within the IGS. I've not seen people dropping dead, eating human flesh, or breaking out in strange rashes. Well, with the exception of Dangirdas Bachir.

I fear if you follow your intended path of research it'll end up killing more people than any form of psychosis could.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Zenito
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#11 - 2013-12-05 14:06:30 UTC
Karynn Denton wrote:
Our boss tends our reactors and silos personally during the "cooking" process of these gases and he can get really weird. Sometimes he gets violent, sometimes he just sits there, staring out into space for days. A few times I've had to lead the Caravan because he's a gibbering mess.


Hrrmph.
Thanks for sharing that with the IGS.
I'll speak with you later.

Dreygun wrote:

As with any psychological assessment, booster and any other drug use will need to be screened for. As someone familiar with booster science, would you be able to provide technical support on possible testing methods to screen pilots for boosters present in their blood or tissue. The tests would likely need to be performed at autopsy.


The girl's more suited to acquiring corpses for autopsy, rather than screening them. But I can't spare my only Outrider to go chasing madmen.

I'd be willing to conduct booster-screening on any corpses you can provide to me via contract, on the condition that we keep the biomass once the autopsy is complete. And don't ask - a Thukker's business is his own.

Zenitoka Katanga

Clan Chieftain

"A fair bargain leaves both sides unhappy."

Cuci Cairi
#12 - 2013-12-05 15:00:14 UTC
Zenito wrote:

Hrrmph.
Thanks for sharing that with the IGS.
I'll speak with you later.


[...] And don't ask - a Thukker's business is his own.


Well, apparently not.
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#13 - 2013-12-05 16:31:16 UTC
[quote The girl's more suited to acquiring corpses for autopsy, rather than screening them. But I can't spare my only Outrider to go chasing madmen.

I'd be willing to conduct booster-screening on any corpses you can provide to me via contract, on the condition that we keep the biomass once the autopsy is complete. And don't ask - a Thukker's business is his own.
[/quote]

Agreed, I will contact you if the research reaches that stage of progression.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#14 - 2013-12-05 19:13:46 UTC
Hmyeah...I wouldn't call it an increase in insanity. From my perspective, 99% of the eggers is completely bonkers and the rest is...maybe only trying to pretend they are sane.

This is "condition" is sometimes referred to as capsuleer dementia. I would suggest you got into contact with Aria Jenneth, as she's been studying certain aspects of this phenomenon, but she's hard to come into contact with these days so...

Anyway, I'm sort of thinking that being insane might actually be a prerequisite for becoming a capsuleer. Like that it's why we're capsule compatible...or maybe it's one of the reasons why we are selected.
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#15 - 2013-12-05 19:40:56 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Hmyeah...I wouldn't call it an increase in insanity. From my perspective, 99% of the eggers is completely bonkers and the rest is...maybe only trying to pretend they are sane.

This is "condition" is sometimes referred to as capsuleer dementia. I would suggest you got into contact with Aria Jenneth, as she's been studying certain aspects of this phenomenon, but she's hard to come into contact with these days so...

Anyway, I'm sort of thinking that being insane might actually be a prerequisite for becoming a capsuleer. Like that it's why we're capsule compatible...or maybe it's one of the reasons why we are selected.



Well there are a lot of different types of mental illness. I would agree that antisocial personality disorder could be assigned to nearly all of us, and I would imagine a great deal of Narcissistic and Borderline personality disorders as well. If its not a prerequisite that makes us compatibile I would imagine at very least the experience of near immortality paired with the god like vessels we pilot probably wreaks havoc on our ability to grasp "normal" human emotions and values anymore.

However, I don't know that it predisposes us to true psychosis. Hallucination, delusions, paranoia.... ok well maybe paranoia, but living around other capsuleers paranoia is likely healthy. The other traits however are extremely dangerous considering the weaponry we have access to. If we truly have a predisposition to such psychotic breaks then I believe we need to research possible preventative measures and possibly investigate if the implants and clones have any potential impact on these factors.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#16 - 2013-12-06 03:39:10 UTC
Remember that correlation does not equal causation.

I sometimes wonder if becoming a capsuleer increases the chances of suffering from some sort of insanity or if having some sort of insanity increases the chances of you becoming a capsuleer.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2013-12-06 21:02:17 UTC
Although many like to think that they're untouchable, catching capsuleers alive is actually pretty easy ... for governments. After all, they own the companies that own the stations that own the cloning facilities. Just walk into the cloning center with a warrant, post two armed guards next to their tube, and then shoot their pod out of space. They wake up in custody. Ta-da.

The only way for a capsuleer to be untouchable is to have their own personal Rorqual hidden out in the untamed regions. Any other way and their clone's well-being will always fall under the good graces of someone else ... and those people all have their price. (Note: That price can be duty or honor, not just ISK. So I should have said "Everyone has their motivator.")

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#18 - 2013-12-07 23:03:35 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:


The only way for a capsuleer to be untouchable is to have their own personal Rorqual hidden out in the untamed regions. Any other way and their clone's well-being will always fall under the good graces of someone else ... and those people all have their price. (Note: That price can be duty or honor, not just ISK. So I should have said "Everyone has their motivator.")

Except the CRUs on those ships only accept jump clone transmissions, not pod clone transmissions, those still have to be linked to a station/outpost somewhere, and CRUs are generally staffed with medical personnel (not to mention the rest of the baseliner crew), so there's not way to be 100% safe.

Only way to be truly immortal is not not be able to die.
Capsuleers die all the time which is why they are functionally immortal.