Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Reading between the lines somewhat...

There seem to be several things going on at the moment with new developments.

1) The introduction of SOE ships, with their mysterious ring structures (which give cloaky bonuses to the frigate and cruiser, but not the battleship)
2) The introduction of ghost sites, which at the moment drop BPCs and materials for implants and yurts.
3) The trailer for Rubicon, which shows the SOE frigate in a ghost site - is there some lore related link here?
4) The dev blogs which suggest that there will be some new kind of player-owned space, with player built star-gates, or similar.

I can't help but wonder if the cloaky bonus on the ships is possibly a 'side-effect' of these ring sutructures, and that there is some kind of deeper link between the SOE and ghost sites. Maybe the ring-structures are related to a new propulsion mechanism yet to be introduced, that relates to player-owned gates, and the opening up of new space. Some sort of wormhole generator perhaps?
It could be that, once all is revealed about the future plans from CCP, we will find that there is a new role for these ships, justifying their cost - after all there is little that even the battleship can do that a properly fit T3 can't for less money. Making a general purpose ship makes little sense, when a T3 already fills that role, unless there is a yet-to-be-revealed hidden purpose to the whole thing.

I really hope this is the case, and I for one will continue to farm those SOE LPs in the anticipation of the payout these will give when this ship is released...

I don't like the idea of a supportcarrier in yet proposed ways, those are too powerful compared with a real carrier - like the ability to transport multiple ships, having SMA functionality, a really strong RR bonus and field more than 5 drones.

I do not want to water down the experience a player gets when he actually can fly a carrier and learns how much it makes one's life so much easier moving your stuff around and supporting a fleet.
I don't like more than 5 drones for subcapitals either if only for the sake of seperating capital ships and subcapitals, this is something that should never be touched in my opinion.
While interesting I also do not like to have a battleship that remote reps just like a Logistic only with more EHP and signature.
The above are just my feelings and I don't want to offend anyone. There are no bad ideas while brainstorming.

Here I wrote about my vision of how a Nestor could support the other two SOE ships (and others also of course) and I would like to iterate on that with a few specifics:



Personally I would make the jumprange the same as a carrier, but it should at least have 9 ly range with Jumpdrive Calibration 5 to make any sort of sense as a support ship for a scanning frig without the need to have a cyno chain. Also I'd tie the range to both battleship skills, I did not mention it in the stats, because I am not clear as to how much.

So much to my proposal for the Nestor.

Making this viable together with the other SOE ships though, would require the Astero to have a third highslot and ability to use covert cyno (I know there is the possibility to refit in space now, but for the sake of this concept not having the cyno already online would be kind of half assed.
Also to make the SOE ships a real dreamteam, I would make the Stratios a real droneboat with no Laser bonus and 5 drones and make it so that the Stratios can make a capchain with the Nestor and rep 600 omni dps on the Nestor with medium reppers. This combination should make both ships capstable while running an afterburner and have a microwarpdrive fitted.

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I don't know about this rumor about clones and and stuff for the WH peeps, but that sounds more befitting for a POS module if that was really more than a rumor.

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By the way Relief and Aid could also mean to remove the "Rogue Drone" threat encountered when rescuing yet another mining crew from them.

Great job for this SOE battleship but i dislike the top of the ship, it looks like a capital ship part or a station part in the current concept art.

Why not choose one of these following alternatives (some already cited) or a better available in this topic.

- move the ring more close to the center.

- move the ring somewhere at the back part with a new design for the top.

- reduce the size of the ring and add an other ring (or a similar thing) at the back.

- change the design to have a center ring (BS Hyperion style).

Please do something about the ring, don't let the ship like that.

I'll just put some thoughts out and CCP or you all can decide what way to go.

1) Slot layout is fine (Yes we know ya want low 7 slots, I don't see it happening). This should not be in direct competition with the Dominix Navy issue or the Abaddon (Tank wise).

2) The Amarr and Gallente Bonuses probably wont change (they seem to be static with the other sisters ships).

3) Role bonuses: The bad bonuses here is the scan probe bonus and analyzer bonus, and possibly the optimal range bonus (see below).

Now this ship could go one of two ways.

a) Can become a support logistics ship. Meaning you modify this ship to be a sort of space medic, an inbetween of the Logistics ships and the carrier, focused on repairing damage than dealing it..

b) Can become a gobetween for the Abaddon and the Dominix. Meaning you can save the laser optimal bonus, and turn this into somewhat of a armor drone platform that competes with all the other drone platforms such as the Dominix, Navy Issue, Ishtar, Armageddon, Eos, etc.

Safe to say, the relic/data analysis bonus is wasted on this ship (I believe the majority of the people on this forum agree to that). The rest is nitpicking on how to make this ship worth it.

Imagination only goes so far until you have to balance out a ship based on its ecology.

SOE is a humanitarian organization and explorers. There ships should match that. The first two ships (astero and stratios) fit that moniker. The Nestor battleship though, while it fits the SOE setup, is not practical to be used by the Eve player (no one would realistically use this 2 billion isk ship in any realistic form outside of ship spinning in a station). It is not worth it....

But just because it is not worth it, does not mean we have complete liberty to add in whatever we believe will make it worth it (I'm just as guilty of having grand re-imaginations of this vessel).

I'd like to see CCP's second going on this ship. Because while the current ship fits the Sisters of Eve ethos, the ship has no actual or practical use in the game at the moment. This doesn't mean that it should be usable by everybody for anything for any reason, but it should have a real stated purpose. Right now the concept of a exploration battleship does not fit the current biology of the game (it is a nice concept, but does not work in a practical manner).

Okay, another short update:

Adding role bonus: 100% bonus to remote armor repairer range

We agreed that this will make quality of life a lot better when attempting to use the remote repair bonus without adding too much power.

Possibly a more detailed post in a couple hours regarding the discussion on black ops/bridging/cloaking and the all-over-the-place design, but I'm super busy atm and just wanted to make sure you guys knew about this change as soon as possible.

Thanks

I really hope you read the more recent posts before discussing that stuff.

Could you consider adding that 100% range bonus to Remote Capacitor Transmitters as well, it is an Amarr ship as well.

Love the Jump Portal Generator and the Jump Drive.. Good Job..



... oh wait that was a dream.. Damn you space rings :p

Its a start... though you have me intriguing what else is planned for 1.1?