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Increase range on Small Projectiles
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Miss Carry
Screaming Hayabusa
#1 - 2013-12-05 10:40:55 UTC

..because they are bad.

Everyone's flying Rails



Hybrids make my Rifter sad

Rifter would be happy if you do something.

You want Rifter to be happy!





thank you thank you

bye bye
Katia Echerie
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#2 - 2013-12-05 14:56:55 UTC
Use arties and your problem is resolved.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#3 - 2013-12-05 17:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Katia Echerie wrote:
Use arties and your problem is resolved.


Not really

Edit: You are just trading one set of problems for another. For sure, arty rifter can still duel other frigates, but it loses to most of the cookie cutter fits. Also with 250s (280s have big pg issues), you get out dpsed by a rifter with lasers at every range inside of 13km.
Naomi Anthar
#4 - 2013-12-05 19:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Anthar
Miss Carry wrote:

..because they are bad.

Everyone's flying Rails



Hybrids make my Rifter sad

Rifter would be happy if you do something.

You want Rifter to be happy!





thank you thank you

bye bye


Then remove selectible type of damage, good tracking, intruduce cap usage and increase fitting requirements. Happy ?
You sound like ac's are bad ... well they are not bad at all.

Edit : And rifter was happy for too long time. Time to be sad !
Miss Carry
Screaming Hayabusa
#5 - 2013-12-05 22:35:38 UTC
Naomi Anthar wrote:



Then remove selectible type of damage, good tracking, intruduce cap usage and increase fitting requirements. Happy ?
You sound like ac's are bad ... well they are not bad at all.

Edit : And rifter was happy for too long time. Time to be sad !




Yes, ACs and Arties are awesome.

-damage types
-no cap
-good tracking
-sing on command
-smell like a warm motorcycle
-can shoot poisonous snakes on fire



Now here's the catch:

In a fight about Range Control, as most frig-fights are
you have to hit your enemy.


...and no ship should be sad, they should all happily beat the crap
out of each other.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#6 - 2013-12-05 22:54:05 UTC
Quote:

Now here's the catch:

In a fight about Range Control, as most frig-fights are
you have to hit your enemy.


Which is why no one uses blasters in frigate PVP, ever, for any reason, because kiting reigns supreme, right?


a Rifter is the fastest of the t1 combat frigates. It certainly does not have any problems getting close to kiters.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#7 - 2013-12-05 22:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
How DARE you blaspheme the Rifter and defile it by putting hybrids on it? Begone, fool, lest you get smitten by the rightful wrath of the Rifter. The ultimate ship may be eponymous to your corp but you bring shame to the title. May you be cursed with a plague of lossmails, enough to overflow the seas and drown your efficiency. Let the slaver hounds feast on your flesh as you get decimated and sentenced to oblivion. May your alliance disband and your corp failcascade, to burn the shame away. Good DAY to you, sir.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#8 - 2013-12-05 22:56:33 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
How DARE you blaspheme the Rifter and defile it by putting hybrids on it? Begone, fool, lest you get smitten by the rightful wrath of the Rifter. The ultimate ship may be eponymous to your corp but you bring shame to the title. May you be cursed with a plague of lossmails, enough to overflow the seas and drown your efficiency. Let the slaver hounds feast on your flesh as you get decimated and sentenced to oblivion. May your alliance disband and your corp failcascade, to burn the shame away. Good DAY to you, sir.


Please forgive Petrus. Someone allowed him to play with a crack pipe again today.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#9 - 2013-12-05 22:58:25 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
How DARE you blaspheme the Rifter and defile it by putting hybrids on it? Begone, fool, lest you get smitten by the rightful wrath of the Rifter. The ultimate ship may be eponymous to your corp but you bring shame to the title. May you be cursed with a plague of lossmails, enough to overflow the seas and drown your efficiency. Let the slaver hounds feast on your flesh as you get decimated and sentenced to oblivion. May your alliance disband and your corp failcascade, to burn the shame away. Good DAY to you, sir.


Please forgive Petrus. Someone allowed him to play with a crack pipe again today.

A plague of maggots on your buttweed smelly captain's quarters. You are not the boss of me.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Miss Carry
Screaming Hayabusa
#10 - 2013-12-06 08:20:50 UTC
Sir, you can put that knife down.

I would never put a Railgun or similar on a Rifter :)
Why would I?
To mare
Advanced Technology
#11 - 2013-12-06 08:38:22 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:

Now here's the catch:

In a fight about Range Control, as most frig-fights are
you have to hit your enemy.


Which is why no one uses blasters in frigate PVP, ever, for any reason, because kiting reigns supreme, right?


a Rifter is the fastest of the t1 combat frigates. It certainly does not have any problems getting close to kiters.

the problem is small blaster with null have better range than small AC and quite alot more dps to the point damage type its not a factor, because blaster dps is too overpowering
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#12 - 2013-12-06 08:47:55 UTC
To mare wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:

Now here's the catch:

In a fight about Range Control, as most frig-fights are
you have to hit your enemy.


Which is why no one uses blasters in frigate PVP, ever, for any reason, because kiting reigns supreme, right?


a Rifter is the fastest of the t1 combat frigates. It certainly does not have any problems getting close to kiters.

the problem is small blaster with null have better range than small AC and quite alot more dps to the point damage type its not a factor, because blaster dps is too overpowering

Barrage has nice range too.
The only ACs which need some love are mediums, the problem with ACs on Rifter is more with the hull than the weapons.

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Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#13 - 2013-12-06 09:20:34 UTC
There is nothing wrong with small ACs. People will complain about anything...
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-12-06 09:46:12 UTC
The issue isn't small projectiles. The issue is the Rifter, and maybe the fitting requirements of 280mm's. Give the Rifter a small speed bump and swap the tracking bonus for a falloff bonus.

Problem solved.

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#15 - 2013-12-06 10:26:28 UTC
The Lobsters wrote:
The issue isn't small projectiles. The issue is the Rifter, and maybe the fitting requirements of 280mm's. Give the Rifter a small speed bump and swap the tracking bonus for a falloff bonus.

Problem solved.

The issue is not in Rifter or in weapon system. Problem is in ammunition for that weapon system (all sizes). Damage selection for arties is just an illusion (only exists in short range t1 ammo). Introduction of 2nd set of EMP/PP/Fusion but with falloff and or tracking penalties instead of optimal penalty may fix arties a bit. T2 ammo re-balance is just long overdue.

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Urkhan Law
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-12-06 12:19:09 UTC
To mare wrote:
... and quite alot more dps to the point damage type its not a factor ...

I also think the main issue is this... barrage S vs null S. There is no damage selection here.
At the ranges were barrage can pull off, damage is sad, and easily repaired.
Also, speed difference is very small and is not everything, mass and agility causes problems with the "keep range" game". Tech 2 ammo really needs a big overhaul. Rifter would be a much better ship if Tech2 Ammo didn't exit.
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-12-06 12:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: The Lobsters
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
The Lobsters wrote:
The issue isn't small projectiles. The issue is the Rifter, and maybe the fitting requirements of 280mm's. Give the Rifter a small speed bump and swap the tracking bonus for a falloff bonus.

Problem solved.

The issue is not in Rifter or in weapon system. Problem is in ammunition for that weapon system (all sizes). Damage selection for arties is just an illusion (only exists in short range t1 ammo). Introduction of 2nd set of EMP/PP/Fusion but with falloff and or tracking penalties instead of optimal penalty may fix arties a bit. T2 ammo re-balance is just long overdue.


I'n not sure I can agree with that statement.

Arty, along with railguns are one weapon system where you would rarely use t2 ammo, and in fact can often be better to use the meta versions as they are easier to fit and can allow a more rounded fit. You will usually only be using t1 ammo. However, I do use Depleted Uranium a lot with an arty Rifter. It would be nice to have a better range of ammo like DU.

Projectile ammo is fine on all Minmatar frigates and they perform well. Except the Rifter. The problem is the ship, not the weapon system. A falloff bonus would give it selectable damage at barrage ranges. It certainly would be more interesting to fly that it's current iteration

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