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Why I'm quitting Eve after five months...

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Samael Pserad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-12-04 19:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Samael Pserad
1. CCP's bigotry against religion. I'm an atheist, but a society as advanced technologically as Amarr would recognize that humans are an incredibly inefficient energy investment to perform work when technology and energy sources far beyond the first world are available. A human being puts out about 80 watts sustained power for external at the investment of about 1200 Watts for the sustaining of life. That's an efficiency of less than 10%. Because there's no reasonable reason to believe advanced technological societies would ever consider slavery, there's no reason to believe that the attribution of slavery to the one theocracy in the game is anything other than a childish atheist's CCCP straw man.

CCP's response: "Yes, the Amarr were capable of harnessing energy to bend space-time for faster than light travel, but they really needed Minmatar slaves to thresh wheat by hand because religion, obviously."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_level

Saying a futuristic society with the alleged technological capabilities of the societies in game would engage in human slavery is as stupid as saying the Caldari plow their fields with oxen. Obviously, this wouldn't happen because, well, obviously, oxen are inefficient, slow, and expensive compared to the technological capacity of the society.

2. No matter what I do, my character will always be 10 years behind every other character. This is an absolute fail in game design. What CCP should have done is get some differential equations together and come up with a training speed multiplier that is applied to later started characters allowing them to catch up to older characters while still lagging behind somewhat, but not as much as they always will. This way, players who join the game late can actually have some legitimate hope of being able to contend with ten year old characters at some point in the future. Most older players would dislike that, I'm sure, but it would be far more reasonable then the current system which doesn't allow for simultaneous avatar customization and player advancement. Sure, you can work your way up to the cashflow to buy a new character, but that's a somewhat insane endeavor. The game, as it is, has nearly nothing to do with skill or experience, and comes down to the fact that someone else just has an older character than you and you have to wait another 2 years to maybe be able to reasonably contend with them.

3. Unfriendly players. CCP called it the "Eve Gate" (Eve, through whom all evil, mythologically, entered the world) because I'm sure they anticipated the kind of douchey people that would take over the game. It'd be fun if some of the major alliances were interested in negotiation or developing rules for interaction in territory they control or something. For example, in any realistic political entity, nearly no government is going to just shoot people on site for no reason whatsoever - that, of course, is not Eve. There's no contacting the pilot to arrange terms for safe passage or enforcement of rules by major null and low-sec alliances - it's just shoot whatever is neutral because you can. It's lame and takes out the factor of politics/economics/security enforcement etc. that is supposed to be present in space trading games. I've met about three-five people in five months of playing who were actually friendly and one of them I gave my billions of space stuff to.

4. This game isn't fun for new players - every major alliance knows that new characters aren't particularly useful to them and there's no reason to really go out of their way to protect them from pirate types. There doesn't seem to be any major alliances with a kind of ethos that wants to play the game in some "honorable" fashion. Instead, it feels like a bunch of street gangs going at one another rather than empires who behave with decorum, ideology, and philosophy.

5. Seriously, CCP, apply a differential modifier to the training time of later toons - you're creating a caste system for your player base - if there's no hope of ever being as good at the guy who's been playing for the last five or ten years - there's really no sense in playing because you're not going to be able to get back at him later no matter what because you'll always be five or ten years behind him.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-12-04 20:07:43 UTC
First and can I have your stuff?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#3 - 2013-12-04 20:17:20 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
First and can I have your stuff?


Can I have your stuff?

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2013-12-04 20:18:28 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
First and can I have your stuff?


Can I have your stuff?


Give me back my stuff and we can talk.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Arresy Barres
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-12-04 20:22:04 UTC
Oh goddammit, you're one nasty drama whore, this is the second thread you announce your leave from EVE; are you really that desperate for attention? Go out or something, we don't really need you, we don't really care about you and we won't really miss you. Some people will bite the thread and there will be a discussion, though shallow and pointless, but it will make you feel important, which you are not, but whatever, you didn't get this in the first thread, you won't get it at all.

Your reasons are rather funny, though. Bigotry against religion? Jesus Christ, it's a goddamn game, I doubt CCP tried to push a point across the board with Amarr religion and lore and even if they did, legitimately who the hell gives a ****? The religion part gives good handles to roleplay around to those interested in it.

Stop whining about the leveling, you can't be good at everything like the 10 year old players are, but you can master out your core skills and then specialize quite well in two or three niche's in just a couple months; you don't need V's for that, IV's enough.

Unfriendly players? Did you gain access to the internet 5 months ago? Is this your first online game ever? Ever leave your apartments? You'll find most strangers don't give a damn about you and rightfully so, why would they? If popping you means more resources for me and my friendly peers, there's a solid point to pop you. Oh, and it's fun.
Being friendly to you? So we can become friends? And team up in space? And spend time on comms? Not going to happen, you with your drama whoring, I don't think much people would like to hang around with you in EVE. I don't like you, let's be honest here, so I'm losing nothing.

Game ain't fun for new players? Yeah, ain't fun for you because you cling to your sad stuff while I'm having a blast here. I'm just about a month old, so are some of my mates and we're all having great fun.

Stop clutching at straws and leave already. This obviously isn't a game for you, lets be real, nothing's changing because of this pitiful thread. You tried to get a point across, I didn't buy it, most people won't.

With that being said, can I have your stuff?

Straightforward.

Samael Pserad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-12-04 20:24:14 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
First and can I have your stuff?


If you were capable of reading, I already addressed the fact that several billion in ISK has been turned over to someone.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#7 - 2013-12-04 20:28:00 UTC
every new player can serve a purpose.

namely, pay me taxes.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-12-04 20:32:58 UTC
Samael Pserad wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
First and can I have your stuff?


If you were capable of reading, I already addressed the fact that several billion in ISK has been turned over to someone.


If you are not a troll, then you are special... shortbus-type special.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Arresy Barres
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-12-04 20:41:56 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Samael Pserad wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
First and can I have your stuff?


If you were capable of reading, I already addressed the fact that several billion in ISK has been turned over to someone.


If you are not a troll, then you are special... shortbus-type special.

I know, right? His other thread started exactly the same way. It's pretty hillarious.
This guy has absolutely no idea.

Straightforward.

Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#10 - 2013-12-04 21:06:26 UTC
No amount of deodorant can cover this troll smell. Started on the second line. I am an atheist, but he plays Amarr.

Crawl back to GD.

Oh,and Can I haz ur stuffs?

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Samael Pserad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-12-04 21:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Samael Pserad
Arresy Barres wrote:
Oh goddammit, you're one nasty drama *****, this is the second thread you announce your leave from EVE; are you really that desperate for attention? Go out or something, we don't really need you, we don't really care about you and we won't really miss you. Some people will bite the thread and there will be a discussion, though shallow and pointless, but it will make you feel important, which you are not, but whatever, you didn't get this in the first thread, you won't get it at all.

Your reasons are rather funny, though. Bigotry against religion? Jesus Christ, it's a goddamn game, I doubt CCP tried to push a point across the board with Amarr religion and lore and even if they did, legitimately who the hell gives a ****? The religion part gives good handles to roleplay around to those interested in it.

Stop whining about the leveling, you can't be good at everything like the 10 year old players are, but you can master out your core skills and then specialize quite well in two or three niche's in just a couple months; you don't need V's for that, IV's enough.

Unfriendly players? Did you gain access to the internet 5 months ago? Is this your first online game ever? Ever leave your apartments? You'll find most strangers don't give a damn about you and rightfully so, why would they? If popping you means more resources for me and my friendly peers, there's a solid point to pop you. Oh, and it's fun.
Being friendly to you? So we can become friends? And team up in space? And spend time on comms? Not going to happen, you with your drama whoring, I don't think much people would like to hang around with you in EVE. I don't like you, let's be honest here, so I'm losing nothing.

Game ain't fun for new players? Yeah, ain't fun for you because you cling to your sad stuff while I'm having a blast here. I'm just about a month old, so are some of my mates and we're all having great fun.

Stop clutching at straws and leave already. This obviously isn't a game for you, lets be real, nothing's changing because of this pitiful thread. You tried to get a point across, I didn't buy it, most people won't.

With that being said, can I have your stuff?


Well, most companies care about losing customers. Obviously other customers don't care, and especially in this game, but your thread is a magnificent illustration why few people want to play Eve but other MMO's manage to gather and keep millions of players playing daily while Eve tops out at about 40k.

There's a lot of mean people in the world, and decent people go out of their way to avoid them.
Samael Pserad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-12-04 21:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Samael Pserad
Random McNally wrote:
No amount of deodorant can cover this troll smell. Started on the second line. I am an atheist, but he plays Amarr.

Crawl back to GD.

Oh,and Can I haz ur stuffs?


What the hell is GD? Yes, I play Amarr because corporatacracy is shallow, oppressive and childish; excessive libertarianism produces indifference to human suffering; and tribal caste systems are unappealing.

Like I said, even CCP can't avoid the maturity of mythology by creating a metanarrative with the premise that human beings are inherently evil and then proving it by giving them no rules.

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any other wild animal that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God say, ‘You shall not eat from any tree in the garden’?” 2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die.’” 4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not die; 5 for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,[a] knowing good and evil.” 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.

8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 He said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent tricked me, and I ate.” 14 The Lord God said to the serpent,

“Because you have done this,
cursed are you among all animals
and among all wild creatures;
upon your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life.
15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will strike your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

16 To the woman he said,

“I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children,
yet your desire shall be for your husband,
and he shall rule over you.”

17 And to the man[b] he said,

“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife,
and have eaten of the tree
about which I commanded you,
‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;
in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread
until you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.”"

Right?
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-12-04 21:35:18 UTC
Samael Pserad wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
No amount of deodorant can cover this troll smell. Started on the second line. I am an atheist, but he plays Amarr.

Crawl back to GD.

Oh,and Can I haz ur stuffs?


What the hell is GD? Yes, I play Amarr because corporatacracy is shallow, oppressive and childish; excessive libertarianism produces indifference to human suffering; and tribal caste systems are unappealing.

Like I said, even CCP can't avoid the maturity of mythology by creating a metanarrative with the premise that human beings are inherently evil and then proving it by giving them no rules.


So out of the four available races, you pick the one that makes you stand out the most as a hypocrite?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#14 - 2013-12-04 22:00:02 UTC
**walks in expecting a whine thread of whininess, people asking for stuffz, and others pointing out why OP is a loony**

**leaves satisfied**

IB4 the downward spinal of name calling, more whininess, drama, a possible reference to Adolf Hitler, more asking for stuffz, and the lock.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.

Samael Pserad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-12-04 22:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Samael Pserad
Alpheias wrote:
Samael Pserad wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
No amount of deodorant can cover this troll smell. Started on the second line. I am an atheist, but he plays Amarr.

Crawl back to GD.

Oh,and Can I haz ur stuffs?


What the hell is GD? Yes, I play Amarr because corporatacracy is shallow, oppressive and childish; excessive libertarianism produces indifference to human suffering; and tribal caste systems are unappealing.

Like I said, even CCP can't avoid the maturity of mythology by creating a metanarrative with the premise that human beings are inherently evil and then proving it by giving them no rules.


So out of the four available races, you pick the one that makes you stand out the most as a hypocrite?


I didn't invent CCP's false tetrachotomy. Atheists don't have one specific ideology - they simply deny the existence of a deity. I evaluated the four presented races and the Amarr was the only thing that remotely resembled anything I believe in. The only people I've met in life who've had any regard for me as a human being were religious people, Muslim or Christian, so I picked Amarr. Only a real moron would believe that religion is responsible for pre-industrialist slavery and no culture that is capable of inventing nanites would practice slavery because, as I stated earlier, it's extremely economically inefficient with contemporary technology not to mention the kind of technology that exists in this sci-fi universe. CCP is just catering to people too dumb to realize that.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#16 - 2013-12-04 22:09:32 UTC
you're pretty peeved about the slavery thing, huh?

I guess that saying "it's just a video game" won't help in this situation, hmm?
Samael Pserad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-12-04 22:37:05 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
you're pretty peeved about the slavery thing, huh?

I guess that saying "it's just a video game" won't help in this situation, hmm?


Not so much that so much as I am forced to chose among four races which I hate and have little to no redeeming qualities and the most appealing to me happens to be the one that most players are against because CCP decided to play on the pop culture myth that religion inherently causes slavery. Of course it's just a game - but there's plenty of people who will make your game experience extra miserable for choosing Amarr. Additionally, the subtext is, quite simply, that Abrahamic monotheism is to blame for slavery which simply doesn't hold water historically. It's a popular atheistic straw-man argument based on an appeal to consequences fallacy arguing against religion.

Like all hate groups - it attributes to a large group of people responsibility for some evil.

But, yes, I studied religion in college, among other things, and I think it's a tremendously stupid and childish argument to attribute to religion, rather than the human capacity for evil and economic reality, the existence of slavery.

I don't patronize TV shows that portray blacks as stupid and/or bafoonish and/or criminal. I don't patronize film or movies that portray gays as serial killers and/or child molesters. I don't patronize video games that portray women as stupid, weak and childish. Why should I make an exception for CCP's decision to portray monotheistic religion as a sock-puppet of medieval Europe?
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#18 - 2013-12-04 22:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
I kind of agree against the backstory's bias against religion. The only religious group in the game are set up to be bigoted slaver hypocrites.

But as for not being about to catch up-- so what? You do what you can do with your char's current level of skills. Chances are, if your char doesn't have the skills for it, you personally don't have knowledge/game experience to do well at it either. Or the isk to risk in flying that ship.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#19 - 2013-12-04 22:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
[Erp, double post. And wasn't my fault this time....Smile]
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#20 - 2013-12-04 22:42:52 UTC
First time I've ever heard a reason for leaving based on lore. What should we sue every other author he includes slavery as part of their universe's history? Other than that it's same old same old, can i haz your stuff? no for these and these reasons kind of thread.

wumbo

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