Player Features and Ideas Discussion

• Quit making excuses and FINISH the rebalancing! There's no reason this couldn't be completed in a few short months. If you can "rebalance" a rapid light missile launcher a week prior to Rubicon you can rebalance Black Ops, Pirates and T3s in 3 months. Bite the bullet and get it done.
• Quit tinkering with ships and game mechanics that AREN'T BROKEN. Missiles were generally fine and Serpentis ships are fine the way they are (some of us appreciate originality). Do we mention HACs, Command Ships and Marauders? Drone assist?
• Quit wasting time on trivial issues like renaming auto cannons and fixing market scams; do these really warrant their own thread and sticky? I'm sure this is only scratching the surface.
• Quit diverting resources to endeavours like Dust 514. EVE is either your flagship product or it isn't. Make it your crown jewel again and we'll happily support your other ventures.
• Quit this quest for "more space". Like the original Star Trek, this is going to be a 5-year mission that abruptly ends 3 years from now when everyone realizes there's no one at the helm. Most of low and null-sec is deserted. If you're going to focus on space, try working on ways to encourage new players and those in high-sec to venture out once in a while.
• Quit making excuses why you can't fix SOV. Seriously? There is a rather detailed thread that outlines exactly how this could be accomplished, and the changes are not that radical. And it's received ringing player endorsements. If we can find the time to introduce a mini-hacking game and loot gathering mechanic, we can find the time to fix SOV.
• Quit introducing bland, boring and uninspired ship designs. I'm talking about the Marauder. And the Nestor.
• Quit stalling on capitals. How many years do people have to wait for the Phoenix to get fixed? You're introducing a new battleship yet you can't fix a Dreadnought that's been effectively useless for years.
• Quit ignoring your player base. Beg, borrow and start stealing some ideas (it's clear some of you lack the ability to think "outside the box").

You really got that out of his post? I don't agree with every point, but he's mostly on the money. CCP need to get better at this whole "improving the game" thing and quick, because right now most changes they make either outright damage the game or simply are trivial tweaks that have minimal impact.

CCP has stated a few times now that this is a long term set up compared to their old short term large releases.

What is currently happening is much needed and if they were adding new content at this pace there would be no room for what they are doing now.

They are currently polishing up the entire game. Making it easier to understand for new players while still adding small bits here and there so the bitter vets dont get too bored. This polish is partially bringing old code up to date, which is necessary if CCP wishes to bring newer cooler things to eve.

As for ship and module rebalancing it takes a while because after you have the initial numbers and do internal testing and release it it can still be unbalanced or balanced into the wrong role which only gets found out when players get the chance to break everything CCP intended for the ship.

I'm sure problems like drone assist exist in the old code as well which is why (similar to POSs) it is taking a while for them to look at it. Given their addition of mobile structures they might be abandoning the old POS code entirely for something new rather then rewrite the code for them at all.

Further because this is a long term goal I suspect that as we get closer to 2015 and 2016 we will see the true fruit of their labor as this ground work will be entirely set allowing for an influx of new content, rather then fixing up the old content to fit in a more modern game setting.

I really prefer the one ship at a time approach. Rebalancing everything at once - players fitting and storing ships for wars, ops, etc. - and then slightly rebalancing 80% of the ships again cause two ship classes turned out to synergize way to well or not at all - this would create more of an uproar than slowly finishing it up.



Rapid light missiles have been broken. No way to deny it. At the point of *oh look, it's bonused to HAMs, Heavies and Rapid Lights, let's do rapid lights cause they are much stronger than the other two* there needs something to be done. Turned out that Rapids are now not good for true solo, but even better for everything gang. And what do you mean with HACs, CS, Marauders? They are all in pretty amazing shape since the rebalace, especially marauders (only talking pvp, no idea about L4s)



Slight differences turned out to create vastly different ships already, can't follow again. The Nestor is atm nothing but a rough sketch, so talking of marauders: Even with a set of boni strongly similiar to what is avaiable to T1 Battleships, the bastion, the 1min jumpdrive and load of utilityhighs make these thing a beast in a smallscale engagement.

Add to that that rebalancing of every ship should only be done regarding its pvp-performance (obviously, civilian ships as freighters, haulers, barges etc. excluded), and I really cannot follow on your argumentation or intention. If a ship then happens to provide it's uder with high long-range dps, then you got a fitting pve-vessel, but no hull should be wasted on such unimportant parts of gameplay.

i partly agree but you cant end rebalance its a process

i agree on this that eve should be the crown jewl but if the do not give dust and val enough attention they are doomed to be failures....

i dont agree at all if null was denely populated eve wouldnt feel huge..... ther have to be vast "empty" areas
(empty in the meaning of not populated wit stations and lots of players nor without something to do)

yes they could have been more original.
i dont like the concept of marauders beeing stationary and booring to fly

valid complaint

You have no idea how many different things are involved with balancing ships do you? Making numbers tweaks in the database is simple, but you have to test it to make sure certain fits aren't going to still be screwed up balancewise, and there's a **** ton of modules and a ton of ships that can all interact here. If they tried to rebalance EVERYTHING in a few short months then we'd have more broken, unbalanced ships rather than less.

Yes we do mention command ships (or more specifically on grid boosting) and marauders (previously mostly useless in PvP) and drone assist seems to be one of the nitpicks getting a bit more attention lately.

Well scamming is part of the player experience, scams suck and have a negative effect on player retention if they are too easy to pull off (besides these scammers need to get more creative, I haven't seen any new scams in ages. very boring). As far as autocannons go, yes it's unimportant, but it also doesn't take that much time to fix, and can probably be done by the guys who can't be used for rebalancing (which brings me to the next point)

You do realize that the devs working on other projects have experience in different areas than the ones working on EvE right? This is like bitching why the sound and graphics guys aren't helping fix ships, they can't, they don't have experience with that, they aren't that kind of dev. I don't know what the Valkyrie devs could do for EvE, but if they poached the DUST devs they'd be working on Incarna (not a bad thing but given your topic and tone that would **** you off too)

Well new content supposedly should get new players and keep old ones and keeps the game from getting stale. I do think they should iterate a bit more than they do now. Wormholes haven't been touched since their inception and I agree additional incentives to live in low could be a good idea. To me null doesn't seem as deserted as much as all the players are clustered into certain areas.

I do agree, but they could at least get the majority of the rebalancing out of the way and fine-tune as needed later.


If they spread themselves thin, they're all going to be failures.


I'm not suggesting low or null-sec needs to be densely populated. For that matter, even high-sec isn't that densely populated (except for maybe Jita). I'm just questioning the wisdom in opening up new "space" then it's apparent there's still a lot of it.


The art is fine. The latest SoE battleship (Nestor) is pretty bland, stat-wise. Yes, there was some originality with the new Marauders (although stationary weapons platforms aren't exactly exciting). This was also offset to some degree because they drastically changed the roles for half of them.

Your kidding, right? Radical (not minor) changes to rapid light missile launchers announced a week before Rubicon, and rolled out without any testing. This from one of the two lead developers… Check out the RLML thread for an eye opener.


And again, I don't have a vested personal interest in any of those.


Sure. With everything else that needs to be done, is it really a priority to address Jita margin scams?


It all comes out of the same operating budget though, doesn't it? Resource allocation is more than just manpower. How much has EVE suffered (or been held back) in order to tie it in with Dust 514? It's a valid question.


Except it's not new content - this is supposedly a 3-5 year plan. All we've seen are Ghost Sites. The allure of eventual player-owned stargates (which, let's be honest - only one or two alliances can actually pull off) is going to relegated to the super elite. Meanwhile, as you pointed out - what's being looked at for wormholes? What about expanded PvE and COSMOS missions? More interactive mining?

No, I want them to finish it in a month - then put it up on SiSi so players can test it out and fine-tune it over a few months. It wouldn't be that difficult to create a few threads to solicit player suggestions prior. Heck, get the CSM to compile a list of "top 10 changes" for Pirates Ships, Black Ops and Strategic Cruisers. It's really not that difficult if you're willing to make use of the resources at your dispose. But if you're going to design in a vacuum, well...

This whole 3-month rebalance approach for a single ship class is a joke. Actually, a circle-jerk is more like it. For starters, there's a hidden agenda right from the outset. Players are given the impression that their input is being solicited when in reality the core design is already fixed. You need look no further than Command Ships, HACs and Marauders (specifically) for examples. Dev participation is practically non-existent. When I was doing R&D my customers were my best source of information. Things must work differently in Iceland...

What the hell. I just wrote a long reply to this topic. When I hit post everything I had written got erased.

This is the 2nd time this has happened.