Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Exactly my first thought; what would a transgender avatar look like anyway, because it's not like you can undress them to see if they have all the right bits and pieces, who's to say whats under there

Honestly I'd just like to change my gender. But if we're already thinking about implementing a system that people can change the gender of their characters why not go a step further and add this?

And thanks ISD Ezwal :p I already thought that something like this would attract trolls like flies. It's just not something that a lot of people think about or even want to think about. Doesn't mean that other people won't or don't.

Also El Space Mariachi gender nor sex are binary. There are a million resources, studies and books on that subject online. Educate yourself.

There is no real effect in gameplay. But then again, why do we all have avatars? Why don't we all have generic pictures with smiley faces on them...
It's about personalization and roleplaying in an MMORP

Indeed. bring on the animal people!

So OriPo is after the ability to change the gender of his/her character post creation?
(ORIgnal POster)

Hi OP. The basic problem with your proposal is that it's relevant to basically nobody and so if added to the game would be used exclusively for 'humorous' purposes such as all of TEST agreeing to mix boobs and beards (which humorous purposes would themselves be complained about in support tickets created by earnest folk such as yourself, leading to greater GM load and drama and generally negative publicity for the game).

The basic problem with this thread is that the basic problem with your proposal, stated this simply, is a personal attack (I've marginalized you by suggesting that your interests actually are marginal) and also trolling ('cuz now you can reply by citing Kinsey research and we can have a great long discussion about gender that will go nowhere) and also discussion about forum moderation (see this parasentence itself) and also hatespeech and blah. The basic problem cannot even be cleverly stated in an indirect way, as with the appeals to otherkin -- as that would OBVIOUSLY be trolling.

Because the basic problem with your proposal cannot be stated and then discussed (actual possible rejoinder: "yeah, I'm aware that I'm an exceptional person, not like you breeder muggles, but we're talking about bizarre-world immortal capsuleers here. Wouldn't TEST's boobs-and-beards program actually entirely suit the lore of EVE, even if it's inappropriate to the lore of Earth, today?"), it can't be discussed effectively at all. Threads about your proposal will always be doomed, and the doomed threads will haunt your proposal, probably hurting its mindshare with CCP better than any of our actual sincere arguments against it could.

So if you'd actually like to see this gender slider in EVE someday, it's best not to discuss it here. Don't even link to discussion about it, because even your links will spawn doomed threads. Flesh out the discussion elsewhere and then tweet CCP or something.

There's no good reason to say no on ethical grounds, the problem is always going to be developer effort and the gains for that effort (high effort, low gains), so short of a public outcry for such a feature or CCP risking a backlash from fans over 'wasting their time to cater to niche minorities and equality' (there'll always be some), it's unlikely you'll get something so avant garde.

I'd love to get rid of the gender-oriented clothing and allow everyone to wear all the different shirts, coats, etc. Also, some characters I've seen are already are fairly androgynous, so at least some stop-gap exists.

Not sure if serious or trying to mock the idea.....

Just put a rainbow flag in your bio?