Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Drop the RR bonus, give it a warp speed bonus, signature bonus (like 5%/level) and a mwd cap use bonus (so you dont have to fit a cap booster to every mwd battleship)

It's almost like people forget how people play EVE as soon as they go to work for CCP...

First, can you comment on the expected pricetag of this? What does CCP feel like the price will be? I feel like this is a major tipping point. I might buy one of these if they are sub 500m. Over a bil though and there's so many better options.

Here's the problem I'm seeing with that statement above, the Gnosis may be all over the place but it's clear(ish) what it's role is. It's all over the place in that it has bonuses to every weapon type, but these are all damage bonuses, they affect the ships DPS.

The SOE Battleship is all over the place in an unclear and confusing way. It's bonuses don't compliment each other, and on top of that it's prohibitively expensive. You've taken a subcap hull, given it a capital hull price tag, and given it only half the bonuses it needs to do several jobs. I'm trying to think of an example to relate it to... it would be like giving that Gnosis a bonus to mining lasers. Sure it makes it able to do many things, but without the complimenting bonus of an ore bay or bigger cargohold nobody will use it for that because there isn't enough room to store the ore. You may not have chosen it over something else, but it makes no sense.

The same thing goes here. You've created a ship with the ability to hack and probe things, but nobody is going to use it for that. Why would I? Give me one good reason why I would use this ship for probing or hacking?
--If I'm near/in my home system I can use a T3, covert ops, or T2 Cruiser (just to name the obvious ones). Each of these has the bonuses and abilities to scan and hack sites, or cloak, or get in/out faster, OR a combination of all 3. Even if I end up needing a ship that can do both, but don't have one, I'm close to my home system. I can use one ship to hack then switch back to my scanning ship. Hell, I'll use a carrier, at least the loss will be cheaper.
--If I'm away from my home system... well, I'm just plain old not going to use it. It's a battleship, and a 2bil isk one (from estimates) on top of that. How fast do you think it's going to die to a gate camp or get caught in a bubble?
--If I'm in a group, again, why use it? I can bring along multiple ships that can do any one job better. A guardian with rep and range and signature bonuses that can lock ships in the time needed to rep them. A T3 that probably has better tank for cheaper (once you take into account sig size and speed). Another T3 fit for scanning/hacking, etc. Or, as others have pointed out, something like a rattlesnake gang. It may still be a slow battleship, but at least it's cheaper.

You've also created a ship that can heal things, but why would I use it for that? For the price tag I can use a triage carrier that gives much greater repping power, can lock faster, can't be jammed, etc. Or a guardian/onieros, which has the advantage of standoff distance, signature size, lower mass, faster lock time, etc and still reps a lot of damage. Maybe you can pair them up and spider tank, the range bonus might help, but at the end of the day I can take about 8x as many domi's for the price tag, or just a pair of slowcat carriers.

You've given it damage and tank bonuses, but again, better job at a lower price is available.

I disagree with the idea of just tossing in random bonuses to "give us options", it may as well be a jeopardy wheel if you're going to use that method. Give it a bonus to gas cloud harvesting!

This doesn't mean I disagree with a ship that is capable of doing a lot of things, but the second half of that statement says that it would be best at a few. As it stands I don't think this ship is best at anything, much less at a few, and again, pricetag.

IMO, if you're absolutely against a cov ops battleship, or a battleship that can use a cloak like a black ops battleship, and if the probing and hacking bonuses are just there to... well, be there... Then give it a longer rep range bonus (more than 100%), maybe dial back the rep power a bit, and create a battleship class logistics ship (Oh, you'll also have to fix the lock time, and still probably have to drop the price, and give it a remote energy bonus and... !@#$ it, this is what I meant, it only has half the bonuses needed to do any one job). Then you'll actually have a ship that's "best at a [something]". Maybe dial back the damage bonuses so it isn't OP. Honestly, if it could rep just equal to a guardian/onerios, not even better than one, it might be worth the pricetag because of it's larger tank. Probably not since even if all of the above were fixed it would still have a huge signature to shoot at, but just maybe.

Or as others have said, make it do ~something~ unique, let it be able to bridge to black ops cynos or something... idk. The common option among the EFT warriors here is that this ship is an expensive hanger decoration with it's current bonuses. Everyone is disagreeing on what it -should- be and what would make it worth taking out of the hanger for either pve or pvp. I've seen very few people disagree that it will just sit in hangers though.

do u guys not know how this game works? the only requirement to be able to be bridged through a black ops is to be able to fit a covert ops cloak. if you cannot fit a covert ops cloak you cant bridge through, simple as. so forget about such crazy thoughts.

the ONLY parts of a Blops BS that should be considered is the cloaked speed increase, and possibly... very possibly a jump drive. but such an addition should be balanced with reduced bonuses and ship resources.

also yes people like drones, but turning this into yet another sentry drone boat is lame and dull and not worth the 2+Bil pricetag.

having it as a pure DPS boat is a complete turnaround in respects to the sisters of eve lore. you might as well have amarr ships getting bonuses to projectiles whilst you're at it.


Surely people can see that it can fill the support role as a logi drone platform. Yes logi drones do suck currently but we have the opportunity for CCP to not only look at and fix some issues with logi drones, but also mould a ship that is very effective at using them through bonuses.

no need for rep range bonuses, drone control range fixes that.
It doesnt eclipse pure bred logis because of travel time and the fact drones can be shot and killed.
It wouldnt need cap or transfer bonuses because cap isnt affected.

it fits the lore, it fits the role of support, it doesnt need a cov ops cloak. as its a battleship it has the potential to use MJD's / target spectrum breakers and still maintain functionality by using drones.

Thinking about how an SOE battleship could support the rest of their lineup specificly the following "exploration dreamteam scenario" comes to mind:

1. Astero scans down exploration sites, doing basicly all the new sites and DED plexes up to and including 4/10 solo.

2. Astero finds a 5/10 or higher, lights a covert cyno and the NESTOR jumps to it from as far as 15 LY away.

3. Astero approaches Nestor and reships to the STRATIOS (the only cruiser small enough to fit into the Nestor ship maintainance bay).

4. Fleetwarp to DED plex. Stratios and Nestor rep each other and do a combined damage of 1300 per second.

5. ???

6. Profit


The specifics of that I don't really care about. E.g. cloak on the Nestor or not, I don't care.

Edit:

Iteration to be found here.

Hmmm

To be truly unique ship that fits the SOE theme.
These are not solo ships, period. That makes the scan probe bonus and hacking bonus all but useless.
The ship would be well suited to be closer to the Orca rather than the Stratios.

Can fit warfare links.
Can use 2 links at once.
30km Fleet hanger
400~600km SMA
Keep drones and lasers as is.

How about 2 versions, since its hybrid tech from Amarr and Gallente, Amarr get the lasers and logic side bonuses and the Gallente get the covos cloak and drones, since everyone is in 2 minds about what is good and what is bad about it. Surely SOE and the shipbuilders would have different versions ?

Way too much going on with this ship..

Please give it a more specialised role instead of the current "scan-rr-drone-pew-hackz0r" version.

To everyone saying "Don't give this a black ops drive, but instead let it go through a portal" Do you have any idea how much fuel that is? I get yelled at for bringing a Tech 3 cruiser to black ops fleets. The ship will take up an entire fuel bay........ give it a jump drive and possibly its own portal.

When are you going to add another missile-using "faction"? So far, out of the Sisters plus all the pirate factions ships, the only one that isn't gün-based is Guristas.

It's okay for EVE to be primarily a gün-based game, but it'd be very nice to just have two different non-gün-basedpirate/pseudo-pirate factions, so that there is something to choose between.

So add another missile-based faction, please.