EVE General Discussion

Thats not what we were using, its some of what we were facing, and we were facing most of the 0.0 alliances in game at the time.

Missiles suck in general, their ability to apply damage is getting wrecked by the same thing that makes giving all the ships a 'mwd sig bloom reduction' bonus a viable thing, and the same thing that makes missiles even more useless against those ships.

RLML's were fine before, so the fact that they still work is awesome, RLHM's suck, and don't function the same way RLML's work because of the fact that Heavy Missiles are actual garbage, we didn't need you to nerf them for us, Firewalling worked great and was a player driven solution to missiles, we had it, Heavies were viable in PVP but spammin them in fleets wasn't a thing that worked well because of Firewall, but you 'tweaked' them anyway.

Completely out of existence in any serious manner.

So when you look at his report what you should see is that you have so completely destroyed the Missile Weapons System in EVE that the only place it will be present at all is in the form of Crows, which again the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the balance team who thought 'breaking damps might be fun but lets ignore the serious build up of light missile use as that can't possibly be indicative of a problem in small gang PVP'.

Stop balancing for the game you want EVE to be and start balancing the game that it is.

HAMs are awesome.

Just because I want to be in the running for bad idea of the day, I say we should do this and then give it ecm bonuses and allow it to target caps and supercaps with ecm.

Is this a joke?

If it's going to be similar to RH/RLML I'm glad I trained T2 lasers, but I'm hopeful some sense will prevail this time. Some useful changes would be nice. Bringing the various missile systems in line with their turret counterparts would be very appreciated.

+1 sir , miss are awesome in small gang or solo , even with 40se reload time

im not surprised. all of the "mandatory" modules needed in pvp have ranges too close for viable use on long range ships. Combine that with CCP refusing to either increase the grid size or increase the minimum distance need to warp while on grid, along with combat probing, have balanced things in favor of close range combat.

thats why everyone flocks to gallente for pvp, because they make the best use of whats needed.

There's a rule in PvP: Missiles for show, guns for a pro.

That's a really poor argument. You've broken HML but it's OK because you've also made changes to cruise missiles. You're talking to 2 entirely different crowds flying entirely ship. How can you even remotely say you 'fixed' the earlier mistake. They aren't even the same size launcher. Not to mention that the cruise missiles are almost exclusively used in PvE.

I wouldn't exactly say the Rapid launchers are in a good place right now. Both light and heavy are extremely situational and far from a solid all around launcher. It's just that other launchers are off even worse.

Like others have said, it's not that missiles are entirely bad. It's just that aside from the rare few bonused hulls, guns will just perform better.

Right now we all know the phoenix sucks for many things,

Idea:

Give players the option to choose between missiles or hybrid turrets, to differentiate it from the moros give it an optimal range bonus on the turrets (leave the dps bonus on the missiles)

Caldari Dreadnought Skill Bonus:

10% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret optimal range
5% bonus to kinetic missile damage and 5% bonus to Capital Launcher rate of fire per skill level

4 highslots (3 turret, 3 missile) (make sure fitting 4 weapons isnt really viable)