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Quitting... The Gambler's Fallacy and Original Sin

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#81 - 2013-12-04 12:37:05 UTC
The skill progression system in EVE is the one thing that makes me forgive all its other faults and foibles over and over again,

It's the best design decision in an MMO, ever.
Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2013-12-04 12:40:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Digits Kho
OP is an attention whore and should feel bad and his whole alliance should be ashamed of themself for letting him join
flakeys
Doomheim
#83 - 2013-12-04 12:47:30 UTC
Guy who needs 35ish pilots over and over to kill a single BC starts a topic about pvp not being fair ... Roll

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2013-12-04 12:54:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The skill progression system in EVE is the one thing that makes me forgive all its other faults and foibles over and over again,

It's the best design decision in an MMO, ever.


I think its a honest system that just shows that Eve is a game about timers.
Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-12-04 12:54:48 UTC

I found out why he is raging so much: clubbing baby seals

I bet he is the pilot that at 54 seconds and beyond, is sitting in the corner and trying to salvage, while the rest of his fleet is figthing.
Maybe he thougth 100 vs 20 was a easy match :P
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2013-12-04 13:09:43 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The skill progression system in EVE is the one thing that makes me forgive all its other faults and foibles over and over again,

It's the best design decision in an MMO, ever.

I think its a honest system that just shows that Eve is a game about timers.

It's a tricky system since it looks like it's about timers, when it's actually about weighing cost against benefit. Twisted
PR0JECT 2501
Section Nine
#87 - 2013-12-04 13:22:27 UTC
Perhaps you should play a game where u have to consent to pvp, so can pick fights you will win or stand even chance of wining? (FO and play WoW).

And IMO the best and worst thing about this game is players like you that expect some kind of utopian space-society where they are free to build their own sand-castle without the mean kid kicking it over. (rants are painfully dull, tears taste sweet) So thank-you for adding to the content by being another hapless lemming, although your quit could have contained more rage.

Unfortunately this sand-box only contains clumps of droppings mixed with tears.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#88 - 2013-12-04 13:22:37 UTC
Bye

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-12-04 13:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cazador 64
Guys op is clearly an EVE expert. Why on earth would you argue with someone who is so obviously educated on everything EVE.

And after only 5 whole months...
He is in fact so well informed about the game he figured out a way to play solo and be hugely successful. Oh wait.

Anyway the guy is a wow scrub. He despises EVE because it's reminiscent of his high school years where all the big bad bullies took his lunch money and spilt his milk. . Oh and grr goons eve is drying
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#90 - 2013-12-04 13:36:14 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
eve is drying


Actual lol

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-12-04 13:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis Robichaud
Ursula Thrace wrote:
Samael Pserad wrote:
People love to announce they're leaving Eve, and I'm happy to join the club. The skill training queue in this game is about the most foolish implantation I've seen in an MMO. To achieve reasonable revenge against those who repeatedly gank you, you just have to hold off for a year until you have the skills to fly a ship of moderate caliber against those who go after you. I finally realized that waiting a year was not worth it. I don't mind PvP games, I've enjoyed them when they're about skill or done in a balanced environment. Eve provides the opposite of a balanced environment and one gets sick of never being able to punish people who agress you for no reason. I also don't really consider ganking my industrial as I put through low-sec or what not as "PvP" so much as "Pv." I figured no big deal, I would train blockade runner. Then I realized I had to spend a month training that and that's a month I can't dedicate to combat skills or anything else. That's right, I have to give CCP $20 and wait a whole month just to make my character capable of running away.



OP, i'm sorry you've decided to leave eve, but i think you've missed a key point of this game. if some group or individual ganks you, team up with other people and go after them. that's the point of a MMO - to work in groups. in doing this, you'll not only have back up for pvp, you'll learn more about the game and it's intricacies and in the process, meet some entertaining folks.

as far as the whole "i'm a noob and can't compete" argument, it simply does not hold water. a brand new pilot can train skills that will make him/her viable in combat in a few days. this avatar is 4+ years old and i spend a lot of time flying frigates and tackling - because it's fun!

i would urge you not to give up, but try and find a group to work with. you could always join us.


Hear hear!

I'm not going to insult you or try to provide some of the , ah, "tough love" others are doing but you need to realize a few things:

1: Eve is a *social* game. You are in BNI, a large group of PvP oriented casual players. It should have been *easy* finding other players to help you get revenge, or at least die trying! I'm a recruiter for RvB. This didn't happen because I'm some kind of amazing combat pilot (I'm decent, but that's it) but because of my attitude and social skills.

2: Attitude matters: you have to adjust your perspective. People will engage you in combat *just because they can* and that is OK! Don't take it personally, that's how the game is. I remember the first time I lost a ship to someone - an atron while I was bumbling around in lowsec. I had *tons* of time to get away (the guy was in a *raven* for crying out loud)... but I didn't, because I was new and I didn't know what I was doing. Boy was I mad! Now I look back at that and laugh!

Sure some players do it "for the tears" - but if you learn to not care so much, you can just shrug at losses and move on. You can also learn how to avoid many (never all!) of those losses. And no, you don't need to become a tear harverster yourself - I think this obsession with tears is silly personally, but oh well.

3: Why am I telling you this: because EVE is *amazing*. Sure the interface is a bit clunky, sure some of the players are jerks. But it's the deepest, most compelling game out there. There is nothing else like it. It takes a while to "get" it, but the rewards are great.

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-12-04 13:56:33 UTC
Confirming that OP will grow up to be a bitter lonely hermit.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#93 - 2013-12-04 14:16:24 UTC
Congratulations on losing at Eve, and thank you for the public announcement.

Move along.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Lucia Severasse
Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
Seventh Sanctum.
#94 - 2013-12-04 14:21:24 UTC
lol your all taking amongst yourselves he left like 4 pages ago Shocked
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#95 - 2013-12-04 14:25:24 UTC
OP, it is a shame your individual experience has been somewhat less than optimal for your enjoyment purposes. I actually liked seeing you, as lonely BNI representative, flying around NPC Delve - hence my friendly overture in local the other day.

I sometimes think that large corps/alliances tend to breed a false sense of security (I won't say entitlement, although I'm sure that also applies in certain cases) within the rank and file membership. I'd urge you, should you ever return, to consider a joining a small corp. Through necessity, being part of a smaller corp builds self reliance, strong membership bonds and true team working fleet skills. In such an environment, even the newest player can play a decisive role.
Good Apollo BS4
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-12-04 14:45:58 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

It's OK though, I understand that, for some people, it's important to transfer a personal failure away from self. Kind of an immature coping mechanism, but whatevs.


Why do you keep summing up EVE Online's General Discussion forum in 2 sentences? Damn it!



Think of it like this...Ever arrest a guy red-handed who then spent the entire ride to the pokey blaming everyone but himself for getting busted?


Same diff here, only EVE GD is more like the naked guy high on goofballs, standing in the middle of the playground, screaming about the Goonspiracy after copiously wetting himself.


Ohh, and you get to clean the NAVY COMET out afterwards.


Made one small change hopes you dont mind :)
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-12-04 15:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Slave
Hmmm...

1- Confirming that OP is right. I'm rage quitting EVE as well, I don't like to play with other people just because, errr... well, everyone here in this game (but Chribba) is not trustworthy;

2- Confirming that EVE is dying, slowly... err... I mean, it's dying since 2003, my bet on that time was 2 years and I have not started playing in the launch waiting for that to happen. As I was waiting a too much and was not happening I subscribed in 2006 to be eyewitness of its downfall. Whatever... I'm a very patient guy. I will wait more 20 years if I need; Evil

3- Confirming that having no brain cells to burn will make your experience playing this game not that enjoyable;

4- Confirming that I can't do anything with my other alts that have 2M SP or less, they are there just to give me a feeling that I can trust someone (see Nr 1 above);

5- Confirming that I will be playing Star Citizen, at least if I didn't fall for a scam there as well, happened to me in Jita once and I was skeptical in giving them my money upwards, whatever;

6- Confirming that Lotro is making a LOT of money and Turbine only changed to F2P just because they have a huge sum to give up to the community, same as the folks that give isk away in Jita; and

7- Confirming that I'm a moron. No, I'm not impersonating anyone else, keep that ban stick away, I'm quitting!

Roll

OMG Roll

Jeesh Roll

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Brendan Anneto
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#98 - 2013-12-04 15:08:59 UTC
Samael Pserad wrote:
I'm done with this game. I've already transferred several billions in assets to another member of BNI who was just about the only tolerable person I've met on this game so we can skip the "can I has your stuffs" replies.

People love to announce they're leaving Eve, and I'm happy to join the club. The skill training queue in this game is about the most foolish implantation I've seen in an MMO. To achieve reasonable revenge against those who repeatedly gank you, you just have to hold off for a year until you have the skills to fly a ship of moderate caliber against those who go after you. I finally realized that waiting a year was not worth it. I don't mind PvP games, I've enjoyed them when they're about skill or done in a balanced environment. Eve provides the opposite of a balanced environment and one gets sick of never being able to punish people who agress you for no reason. I also don't really consider ganking my industrial as I put through low-sec or what not as "PvP" so much as "Pv." I figured no big deal, I would train blockade runner. Then I realized I had to spend a month training that and that's a month I can't dedicate to combat skills or anything else. That's right, I have to give CCP $20 and wait a whole month just to make my character capable of running away.

It's a very creative business model, honestly. You prey simply on the hope that things will get better and one day, two years later, for doing nothing at all but paying CCP $15-$20 a month, you too can be effective in PvP which most companies work to ensure is plausible for players in the first place.

Oh well, I don't really have anything constructive to say. I was playing X3 Albion and I realized I was having fun playing a game... And then I remembered that I used to think playing MMO's was also fun, until I started playing Eve, and then I was just playing because I wanted to make the jerks who make the game so frustrating to play pay. However, after careful consideration, I realized that, not only is it really not worth waiting around for a year for, it's also a huge waste of real life money that I could be spending on MMO's that don't suck by being unwilling to reward active playing of the game.

At least I can take solace in the fact that CCP called you all evil when they named the Eve Gate after, well, Eve. I tend to agree with them - I've never played a game that really brought out the worst in people in a video gaming environment.


The skills are set up the way to keeb nubs out of the game. Who wants 12 year old kids crying and running about. I have enough of that already working at a Pizza shop. I dont need that in my game.

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.   Proverbs 1:26-27
Omega Tron
Edge Dancers
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#99 - 2013-12-04 15:15:38 UTC
Well my my.....
Another WOW player that can't handle a challenging MMO. My suggestion is don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave.

BYE.....

CCP's sand box is EVE Online.  The sand is owned by CCP.  We pay them a monthly fee to throw the sand at each other.  That is all that is here, so move along. Nothing more to be seen.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#100 - 2013-12-04 15:18:40 UTC
Samael Pserad wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Wait. You managed to get several billion of assets but didn't get over the training times? You know, with that amount of ISK you could have just bought yourself a PvP character on the Bazaar!


Meh... I don't like how you people design characters. They all look like **** supersoldier Silvester Stallone wannabes.



Well, since you mention it...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016