Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Interesting ship, and even more interesting ideas how to change it so it can find it's place under the sun in the game - hope this doesn't turn into another Marauder thread...

Thing is, it is very hard to comment on this ship without knowing what exactly are you doing with actual Black Ops ships in terms of balancing (I assume they are next in line for a rework).

I have to notice, you haven't mentioned the ship warp speed anywhere (that became a big deal after Rubicon was released - I assume it's 2AU/s like all other battleships)

This remote repair idea you came up with is a bit confusing - in order to make it comparable to a logistics cruiser, you would have to fit at least 3 large remote repairers and one large energy transfer and fill the ship almost entirely with cap mods, which is more or less a standard triage carrier setup, except this thing can't triage, has no room for a decent tank in that setup, has an absolutely HORRIBLE scan resolution (Oneiros has 456mm scan res and Nestor would require 4 scan res scripted sensor boosters to reach 406mm scan res), has useless remote repairing range, it's over 3 times heavier than a fully fit Guardian that can repair AND give cap to the fleet, and will cost as much as a REAL triage carrier while a fully pimp fitted Guardian costs a fraction of that - so why don't you tell us again, how this ship will be "very interesting" to the wormhole people, because I don't see it...

Someone mentioned spider tanking - I hope they weren't thinking about drone boats doing sleeper sites. As for PvP spider tanking, Dominix does that quite well, and for 1/10th of the price.

The ship is way too slow to be able to travel and operate in both low and null sec, as well as not being immune to bubbles, so the exploration bonuses are wasted on it as it is right now.



Turn your thoughts from this crazy battleship logistics idea and follow the cloaky exploration theme that you already started with SoE ships:


Keep the exploration bonuses

Give it a cloaked velocity bonus (preferably significantly more than what current Black Ops have to make it unique, around 400m/s max velocity while cloaked would be interesting to see), no targeting delay after decloaking, make it more agile kinda like the Machariel is right now, or at least like the Vindicator is and reduce the ship's defenses, especially the amount of hull hit points - these changes would allow the Nestor to hit a bubbled gate camp and have a realistic chance of getting through it in one piece.


Remove the remote repair bonus and do this:

Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% drone damage and hitpoints 20% bonus to Armor Maintenance Bot transfer amount per level

I believe this would be an interesting bonus because it would bring more decision making for players in PvP, 5 large armor maintenance drones would roughly repair the same amount of armor per second as would 2 large remote armor repairers and while that may seem overpowered, remember that this is a drone boat, so if it's doing repairs, it's not doing much damage and while these armor repair bots would make the ship less vulnerable to E-war when it comes to repairing others, drones still have their travel time as well as being vulnerable to enemy fire so it's far from fail-proof.


Lastly, I would like Nestor to be a jump capable ship, just like the Black Ops is, same range, being able to fit a Covert Cyno Generator, being able to jump to a normal AND covert cyno but WITHOUT the ability to fit a Covert Jump Bridge Generator so it doesn't tread too much into the Black Ops T2 specialization.

If you want this ship to be a REAL combat capable exploration ship which is able to operate deep in hostile space, this is the way to make it happen!

Interesting...If it had jump bridge capability or black ops cyno capability might work. Not in favour of more invisible ships. Think its for ghost sites, not your regular relic or data.

I concede it doesn't make sense to roam in one, especially in hostile territory. Cyno capability might serve its purpose well, better than a covops battleship, would be way too OP. No battleship is supposed to run alone really. A BS without support is well...BS.

I really wanted a covert ops bs with rr capabilities.. *sniffle*

Considering all the "trouble" getting to a location to get some sweet exploration, traveling there without a cloak, with such an expensive ship.. HAHAHAHA..

Not many people in wormholes thinks: "Mass is the important thing when im goin to do this sleeper site", They avoid drone boats alltogether. So im not very sure why ccp sticks with the whole less mass=super cool ship?

And why are you going 7 highselots on a ship that is considered a utility ship? It doesnt make much sense, it should be 8, with 5 guns hardpoints.

Actully i have an idea with the cloaking aspect of this ship, either it could stay cloaked for a longer time after jumping through a gate or maybe it might not show up on the D-scan. just throwing it out there, of course they would still see you in local etc..

I like this ship.

Then perhaps you should explain because it is no more overpowered than a cloaky T3, and they are fine for the most part.

If this new battleship had a covert cloak, it might have great dps on paper but its damage application is pretty crap. It also comes with several weaknesses that existing covert ships don't have.

IMHO, right now, this ship is trying to decide whether it's a drone boat, lasor sniper, exploration ship and/or logistics support ship.

I would love to see this thing move more into a support role for the Astero and Stratios, with possibly being able to choose between being a Logistics support, or a sniper support.
In light of that..

The virus strength bonus is wasted, sure it looks nice on paper, but if it's there to support the Stratios and Astero, as well as being a big battleship, with low agility, meaning it will not be able to quickly move from can to can, or chase after a can that is still there but just got out of range, it will not be needing this.

The remote rep bonus is nice, but without extra range, it will fail at this, as you need to bunch up heavily to be able to properly make use of this.

The probing bonus is a good one in my opinion, because it's an exploration ship, and it should be able to probe on it's own, in case the rest of it's fleet has been wiped out.

The laser range bonus is ok, giving it a good reason to sit back and snipe with lasers and drones as an armour tanking ship, it will have plenty of room in mids to enhance drone range to match. along with utility highs for extra drone control range.

In all, the one thing this ship really lacks is cloaking. Now putting a covert cloaking device on this would be quite overpowered, however maybe give it a similar bonus like the BLOPs, so it can use a regular cloak effectively. Adding a jump portal generator like a BLOP would also again be a bit much ( though NICE! ), instead give it the ability to make use of a BLOP's jump portal, so it can join on covert operations as a support ship.

As the viral bonus is useless, I would recommend replacing this with a 100% or 200% increase in remote rep range, so while not being a full on logi, still have a decent range at which to make use of it's reppers. Lowering the rep amount bonus to 25% or eliminating it would probably be required though in this case.

Finally, while it has an extremely low mass, it's less agile than a pregnant whale giving birth, maybe improve this a little bit.

As for the alliance tournament.. this ship has Tinker written all over it.. 7 large reppers with 50% extra repping power makes for a VERY solid defense..

It's nice untill someone brings 2 guardians and smartbombing BS (plus 2 tackle). Then your tiny/shiny fleet of spider tanking 2B battleships will be very, very quickly dead.

There are 17 other battleships that can go do the solo pwn mobile, and 3 that can actually run a support function. We all could care less about solo at the moment.

The reason people want covops cloaking is so that they can go solo in wormholes, low and null in a battleship (they believe that since they can cloak, they can fly back and forth with little fear and giggle and hide, maybe snipe on occasion, run DED's and do all sites, and be deployed for basically ever in a cloaky combat fit battleship). The reason I wanted Covops cloaking is that so the battleship could JUMP through but NOT CREATE a blackops jump portal (to jump through a blackops bridge, the ship in question must be able to fit and use a covops cloaking device, aka, scout ships, bombers, reconfigured T3's, Blockade Runners, and the two SOE ships currently). If the ship could jump through a blackops bridge and follow the two sister ships without a cloak, I'm fine with that too. It gives the battleship force projection that no other ship in the game has as, including carriers and dreads.

We don't need another solo-mobile. We have enough already. A possible fleet ship maybe a better offering, aka, Spacepriest.

You srsly want someone to run data/hacking/ghost sites in BS worth 1.5B o0? In HS it may be doable but not in low/null/WH... Those bonuses are wasted on BS hull.

And for the sake of everything make it more unique, I know that asking for posibility to jump to other systems (without/without cyno/ random around the sun) or other unorthodox thing (which require actual new programming) is too much, but please consider your options.


Poeple who consider those ships as a way of spider tanking WH sites are very brave ones... who will die very quickly as noone goes by group of 1.5B BS and not gank them. Due to the price it's more isk-wise to bring carrier in their place... even the Nidhoggur!!