EVE General Discussion

I am not quite so sure about that. I used them on my Golem to see what they can do. More DPS than my rage torps, more range, too, better damage application etc. I need less TP's for them so I got even more free slots for tank or gimmicky stuff etc.

Truth be told, I haven't tried them on my raven, yet but I really don't think they're THAT bad.

Also I can still remember me chuckling when I read baltec1's posts about Frig surprise Golems etc. ^_^

I take it you are going off the DPS number in the fitting screen? That thing lies to you because it doesn't factor in reloads, which becomes half your time in combat. So whatever number you are seeing in the fitting screen you should just cut in half if you want to know the kind of damage you are really doing.

I'm not sure how much anti-cruiser ability they really offer seeing as heavy missiles are crap against cruisers presently and don't benefit from any damage application bonuses on battleships. Haven't tried them in PVP though, so I'm only theorizing.

Who needs alpha or burst damage anyway…

One of CCPs pets cried about them so they got nerfed . Just sayin .

They say even good analogies eventually break down at some point.

Here's the failing I see with yours: you are equating the players with the workman who selects and maintains his tools. However, it is CCP who is setting the condition of the "tools" in this case. If the players find that the tool no longer performs as well as it used to, then of course they should blame the tool (and by extension, CCP) for the change in condition and quality of that tool.

Now, if CCP starts blaming RLMLs for their poor performance, then yes, they are making excuses.

Heh, I Should've clarified that from the start.

I was ofc. talking about the DPS for one full magazin of missiles, or in other words the DPS in the time intervall from the first salvoe until either death of the target or the first reload. With 40 seconds reload time using any other calculation wouldn't make much sense since engaging a target that can recharge it's hp AND survive 27 salvoes fired every 2 - 2.5 seconds would decrease your chances of success quite significantly...

Also, I don't think that this weapon system was designed to be used in a long lasting confrontation against one ship. More like burst - kill - reload - next target - rince repeat.

With or without this mechanic change, RLML's were never going to be "left alone". They were deemed overpowered and were going to be nerfed.

Let me repeat, you were never going to have RLML's the way they were in the past.

So the choices were to either:

1: Nerf DPS on them across the board.

2: Institute the burst mechanic which gives you huge damage for a brief period of time, but achieves the necessary overall nerf to long term DPS.

Personally I think the first option would have simply left them unused, while the second option gives you some very, very interesting options.

You are quite correct, this weapons system was tailor made for ganking. A small group can punch WAY above their weight with these for up to 50 seconds, and then fade away. If they've done their planning right, their primary is dead and they are either long gone or have pulled way out of retaliation range.

Of course, there is nothing to stop them from coming right back in again.

But... but I used to use them for XYZ-activity and now they're not as good for that! It's not fair! Why should I have to adapt!?!?