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CSM: Where is the promised survey?

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Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-13 19:41:31 UTC
Nearly a month ago, we were promised a survey by the CSM to address the community concerns over the SOMER Blink issues: Link

At the time, it was stated that the list of questions was being finalized, and that the survey should be "completed in a few days". Now, I can understand how with all of the developments since then, things could have taken longer than expected, but frankly 29 days is more than a little ridiculous.

I'm still not altogether certain whether a survey is the appropriate response to the situation, but at least it would be a response! It seems that both the CSM and CCP have gone dark on this issue, and we have not had any kind of update in weeks, despite previous promises and encouragement that a solution would be reached.

So where are you on this CSM? Do you have any intention of living up to your previous promises? Or are you and CCP just hoping this will disappear? I think it is far past the time in which you owe the players you represent an update on the situation!

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-11-14 19:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Here you go:

Q: Should CCP engage in repeatedly spawning valuable items for hand-picked player organisations, vouch unreservedly for their credibility, and turn a blind eye to years of pseudo-RMT behaviour, at the expense of their rivals, in a player driven sandbox environment?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-11-15 21:49:30 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Here you go:

Q: Should CCP engage in repeatedly spawning valuable items for hand-picked player organisations, vouch unreservedly for their credibility, and turn a blind eye to years of pseudo-RMT behaviour, at the expense of their rivals, in a player driven sandbox environment?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No



Not that I don't love the survey - it's clear, concise, and effective - I was more interested in whether anyone on the CSM is even still paying attention to this issue.

I suppose I can take the silence so far as an answer.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#4 - 2013-11-19 17:44:52 UTC
You might say that, since the behaviour that demanded a looking at has been set on hold or terminated, the need for such a survey is also terminated.
If the survey was because the CSM wanted good numbers to tell CCP what they should - well...

I don't know if that is the reason why the survey hasn't come forward, but I could see it being exactly that.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-11-19 19:30:30 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
You might say that, since the behaviour that demanded a looking at has been set on hold or terminated, the need for such a survey is also terminated.
If the survey was because the CSM wanted good numbers to tell CCP what they should - well...

I don't know if that is the reason why the survey hasn't come forward, but I could see it being exactly that.


Then at the very least we deserve a response explaining that. If you're going to promise to do something, and then cancel it, you should inform those you had promised of the change and why it was necessary. To go completely silent on the matter is highly disrespectful, and breaks trust as the promise goes unfullfilled.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#6 - 2013-11-20 19:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: The Legendary Soldier
The CSM has made itself irrelevant.

Amended - perhaps more accurate:

The CSM has shown itself to be irrelevant.

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-11-21 19:03:45 UTC
From the formerly stickied thread on this subject:

Shai 'Hulud wrote:
CCP trying to sweep it under the rug is an admission that the "vocal minority" is actually a subset of the majority. For them to make official announcements, do polls, etc., would be to shine a much brighter light on the issue than we can by posting on the forum.



CSM, I invite you to keep your word to the players you represent and prove whether this statement is true or false.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-11-22 21:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Lol, CSM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9c_KttvQPU

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Care Bear Flair
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-11-24 23:40:24 UTC
Hoping to hear something on this after the weekend.
Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#10 - 2013-11-25 00:38:04 UTC
CCP has been pretending that SOMERgate didn't happen for over a month now, so having a survey about it would be counter-productive towards that goal. Since the CSM has been working as CCP shills throughout the entire matter and then went silent when CCP did, I wouldn't expect anything from them either.
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#11 - 2013-11-25 12:25:11 UTC
Care Bear Flair wrote:
Hoping to hear something on this after the weekend.


Which weekend, we were going to hear something by the first weekend it surfaced, then after Vegas..........
Care Bear Flair
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-11-26 15:42:11 UTC
Still waiting...
Care Bear Flair
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-11-28 00:26:36 UTC
Any news on the survey(s)?
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#14 - 2013-11-28 10:53:09 UTC
CSM? What's the CSM?

Is that the thing that CCP explicitly ignored when they decided to directly aid an ingame player ran business over all others with direct endorsements and unjustified claims about legitimacy? Who they deliberately didn't inform that they were going to hand hundreds of billions of isk to that in game business for it's own uses, and then directly hand even more as personal gifts?

Or is the csm the group of people who will think they have some "inner circle" access despite being deliberately ignored time and time again, and who wont want to be too critical lest they upset the applecart and potentially lose access to that "inner circle"?

oh its both i forgot
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-11-29 22:58:09 UTC
I'm poking people about the survey. But I'd prefer the minutes get out first!

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Frying Doom
#16 - 2013-11-30 08:36:35 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I'm poking people about the survey. But I'd prefer the minutes get out first!

Which ones the Summit you had months ago or the Summit you are not far off havingLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-11-30 16:21:55 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I'm poking people about the survey. But I'd prefer the minutes get out first!


Who are you poking exactly? CCP or other CSM members? If CCP, why? Didn't you indicate that the CSM was going to conduct its own survey separate from CCP? If so, then why are you waiting for them to take action? If other CSM members, then please, let us know which of our representatives have been dragging their feet! This matter has gone on far beyond what is reasonable without a response, and we should be holding people accountable.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#18 - 2013-12-02 18:45:10 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I'm poking people about the survey. But I'd prefer the minutes get out first!


You mean the minutes that were going to give us a preview of Rubicon features?
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-12-02 20:41:42 UTC
Seriouspost: If CCP are so out of touch with Eve's founding principles that even at this point they need a survey to tell them what they did wrong in their dealings with Somer then things are much worse than I've assumed.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#20 - 2013-12-04 09:33:22 UTC
Is a "survey" even necessary?

Here, I'll tell you what every EVE player will say:

Giving gifts which have a direct ingame value (whether it's a huge chunk of isk from rarity, or if it's actually better than regular items) is unacceptable.

Giving an in-game, player ran organisation that competes with other in-game player organisations official (and unjustified) endorsements is unacceptable.

Giving an in-game, player ran organisation that competes with other in-game player organisations items to use in their competition against other organisations is unacceptable.

Allowing a player or player group to control who is allowed or not allowed to partake in the give aways for new content is unacceptable.

Deliberately hiding all of the above from the CSM is unacceptable.
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