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[Rubicon 1.1] Sisters of EVE Battleship

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#301 - 2013-12-04 01:23:05 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Explorer Eriker wrote:
As others have stated, who would risk a billion ISK ship in a wormhole without a covert ops cloak?

Back to the drawing board CCP Rise.

Cause there are no BS's to be found in WH's now..

It's not getting a CovOps Cloak.. Ever.
Covops BS would be Broken.. We don't need gangs of CovOps BS's roaming around low and null.



Considering how long you have to fish out a BS before it warps AND that it can't cloak locked that argument is honestly crap. Particularly in this case where the ship has a defined choice between tank and gank, there are only 6 lows, you CAN'T armor tank it to any real level and get any real damage out of it.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#302 - 2013-12-04 01:23:07 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#303 - 2013-12-04 01:27:24 UTC
Meh. Armageddon and Bhaalgorn will still be the only useful battleships in Wormholes.

I like the idea though, but even a half-mass battleship needs to do something that cruisers can not in order to be worth it, like the neut boats mentioned above do.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2013-12-04 01:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Meh. Armageddon and Bhaalgorn will still be the only useful battleships in Wormholes.

I like the idea though, but even a half-mass battleship needs to do something that cruisers can not DO BETTER n order to be worth it, like the neut boats mentioned above do.


FTFU

Really it either needs to be a black ops or a full on logi, this mix is a mess.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#305 - 2013-12-04 01:31:10 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Explorer Eriker wrote:
As others have stated, who would risk a billion ISK ship in a wormhole without a covert ops cloak?

Back to the drawing board CCP Rise.

Cause there are no BS's to be found in WH's now..

It's not getting a CovOps Cloak.. Ever.
Covops BS would be Broken.. We don't need gangs of CovOps BS's roaming around low and null.

There are, but why use this one (which estimates show will cost 2x as much) over one of those? Furthermore, why use it (or those) instead of a T3? His point wasn't that there aren't any, but few people use the current ones, especially for exploration/sites. If they do there are cheaper/better options.

To your other point, IMO that points to broken cloaking mechanics (or lack of a counter specifically), but that's another discussion.

Personally I don't really care what they make this ship, just as long as it's one thing and not 4. If it is exploration though, it needs a cloak, or some kind of black ops speed modifier. IDK, I'm no balance expert, but I can tell you that this, in it's current form, isn't worth the price.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#306 - 2013-12-04 01:34:13 UTC
Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#307 - 2013-12-04 01:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Wulfy Johnson
Strange nobody has pointed out that a carrier will be cheaper and outclass this strange thing in any worthwhile objektive.

And personally i feel that its time that we get a line of accual battleships, you know the kind that accually outclass anything smaller
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2013-12-04 01:39:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Strange nobody has pointed out that a carrier will be cheaper and outclass this strange thing in any worthwhile objektive.


That was a given. I noted that the at the price they listed the LP alone for a BPC is worth about 1.1 bil, more when the new ship lemmings are willing to buy the BPCs at ridiculous prices.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#309 - 2013-12-04 01:42:17 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Strange nobody has pointed out that a carrier will be cheaper and outclass this strange thing in any worthwhile objektive.

BeanBagKing wrote:
[...] The pricetag given current LP prices is somewhere around 2.2 bil (source reddit: if you disagree do the math, I'm lazy). For 2.2 bil it'll cost as much as a slowcat, so you might as well field a fleet of those.[...]

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#310 - 2013-12-04 01:44:56 UTC
yeah, the part about it being popular in wormholes is disappointing to hear from CCP Rise, but it's a start. I'm all for new ships. even if it had the mass of an ishtar i'd still use an ishtar. no way it's worth 2.2B, maybe 750m

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#311 - 2013-12-04 01:47:33 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
yeah, the part about it being popular in wormholes is disappointing to hear from CCP Rise, but it's a start. I'm all for new ships. even if it had the mass of an ishtar i'd still use an ishtar. no way it's worth 2.2B, maybe 750m


At 600,000LP for the BPC good luck getting anyone to take that to market at 750, I can turn over a LOT more isk/LP sell probes, and they are a hell of a lot easier to move around.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#312 - 2013-12-04 01:50:22 UTC
all the whine about "no covert ops cloak" i bet its just nullbears who are too paranoid by cloakies :P

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#313 - 2013-12-04 01:51:37 UTC
Seranova Farreach wrote:
all the whine about "no covert ops cloak" i bet its just nullbears who are too paranoid by cloakies :P



I'd rather see it be a real battleship class logistics ship...but really scanning bonus? on a battleship? What the hell do you do with that?
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#314 - 2013-12-04 01:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: BeanBagKing
Rain6637 wrote:
no way it's worth 2.2B, maybe 750m

I want to see the math. 2.2 seems to me a bit high, maybe it's taking into account market markup? 750 is WAY low though.

Edit: My mistake, I read that as you saying that 750 would be the price, not what the price SHOULD be. My bad.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#315 - 2013-12-04 01:54:02 UTC
750m is my personal appraisal.

2.2B sounds correct-ish, considering the BPC costs are 5x those of the Stratios

Nestor... it's the new BS

BS... get it

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#316 - 2013-12-04 01:54:05 UTC
the LP/cost needs to be in line with other faction/pirate ships/BPCs.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#317 - 2013-12-04 01:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
SOE LP is high like their stations are rare

oh i see what you mean, price wise?

I'm the ignorant one here. i'm not familiar with pirate BS BPC costs

wait, yeah, the discounted rates are normal

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#318 - 2013-12-04 01:56:49 UTC
BeanBagKing wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
no way it's worth 2.2B, maybe 750m

I want to see the math. 2.2 seems to me a bit high, maybe it's taking into account market markup? 750 is WAY low though.


You can turn 2000isk/LP for sisters probes on the low end, 3k/LP is more around the average I was being conservative at 1.1 bil, the stratios is getting around 2000-2500 (or was last time I sold one) off of the BPC if you built the ship. Eitherway, the price on these from a 600,000 LP base is going to be astonomical, and it will STAY there because if if drops the SOE farmers will go back to selling probes, and astero/stratios BPC and implants and the market will choke.

.....this thing isn't worth the price in LP much less the minerals to build it. It doesn't even look good on paper.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#319 - 2013-12-04 01:59:28 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
SOE LP is high like their stations are rare


not that rare.. hell there is even the newbie SOE station as the start of the blood stained stars

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#320 - 2013-12-04 02:02:36 UTC
Onictus wrote:
BeanBagKing wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
no way it's worth 2.2B, maybe 750m

I want to see the math. 2.2 seems to me a bit high, maybe it's taking into account market markup? 750 is WAY low though.


You can turn 2000isk/LP for sisters probes on the low end, 3k/LP is more around the average I was being conservative at 1.1 bil, the stratios is getting around 2000-2500 (or was last time I sold one) off of the BPC if you built the ship. Eitherway, the price on these from a 600,000 LP base is going to be astonomical, and it will STAY there because if if drops the SOE farmers will go back to selling probes, and astero/stratios BPC and implants and the market will choke.

.....this thing isn't worth the price in LP much less the minerals to build it. It doesn't even look good on paper.


thats some good information. just seems the SOE ships are just LP sinks then

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