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Hello CCP and CCP Grayscale,

Look I may have said some things about you guys in the past that was harsh, and maybe even hurtfull (some directed towards soundwave but thats not the point) for that I appologize

You guys have really turned this boat around and i would just like to say THANK YOU. You guys are doing it right and for that I would like to introduce you to my 2 new subs that are now paid till Nov 2012

Can't wait for winter!

Dammit :S Here was me going to resub my accounts thinking CCP actually cares about the miners :S Guess I had old figures. Mineral prices have clearly not improved.

/me waits

Wow ou guys really dont get the ISK:EHP thing do you!

Yes forsaken hubs etc got harder THERE SUPPOSED TO... There going to pay more!

If you want to run an easy site still, then take a step down, how about you check those loley sites i forget there names, maybe now there more your speed, and also more your normal cash flow...

Seriously just because you have a Corpus B-type doesn't mean crap if your ship is fit like crap or your sitting at 0 on 8 battleships alone...

All of the sites got a buff to ISK:EHP... so they all make more isk per ehp you shoot at, the top 3 tiers all got big buffs, so try taking a look at the "smaller" sites...

They used to be useless and completely ignored, what CCP did was MAKE THE **** SITES USEFUL! Try them,

If you can't tank it in your BS (poor skills, bad fit whatever the case) get a friend and RR, or as i said above try a lower anom.

This is the quote of the year, if not the quote of all time in the context of EVE's existence.

c/d?

That guy's problem might only be with the fit.. did you devs changed the overall power of the top level (corpus pope, gist seraphim, etc..) battleships? With the same fit i am now on sisi, i could only tank 4 to 5 popes. Now i could hold eight.

They got through my tank, but i survived long enough to thin out the incoming DPS.

I appreciate you getting Bettik to get another look at it, but I am seriously doubting anything is going to be done. I am generally on the test server, or in game and I can explain to you in more detail why this patch is a nerf. Maybe this site deserves a nerf, I guess making 90 mil an hour for 6 months was a good run I guess.


If not, I will try to make this a clear as possible so you comprehend this. I can solo Sanctums and Havens easier than I can Forsaken Hubs and Rally Points (on test server). Are you trying to tell me that's *intended*? Seriously?

If by specific case in fitting, you mean using a Battleship and not using a terrible fit with low dps, that earns horrendous isk per hour, then sure.

I am asking that the initial mega wave, be toned down, Forsaken Hubs and Rally points NEED to be EASIER than Havens and Sanctums.

I can complete and finish the "harder" Sanctums and Havens without having to warp to out. I cannot complete the forsaken hub or the forsaken rally point (I had 12 battleships upon warp in one time-I think it was half done and screwed up somehow)

On a side note: The rest of the site is absolutely wonderful. Just that initial wave needs to be toned down, cut in half or something.


Lord FunkyMunky,

I sent you an eve-mail in game. I don't feel like arguing with an alliance member on the forums.

Edit:
Greyscale, I am being told by a lot of people that all these posts are a wasted effort, and you simply wont change your mind. Please prove them wrong. Simply tone down the initial wave of the forsaken hub so its more in line with all the other waves.

I checked Havens, Sanctum and Forsaken Hubs with a T2 fit Golem in Sansha space. DPS on the initial spawn of the Forsaken Hub was so high that I nearly lost the Golem, warping out in structure twice.

Hehe, well - I used to run a similar fit in TQ for roughly 2 years in Sansha space, there is nothing wrong with that (esp for tanking plexes).

What is the borderline-exploit are you reffering to? Is this just being able to spawn the entire site at once? I'm not sure how this is an exploit or if there is something here I'm not aware of. If so, then yes, that is definatly fixed. As for the not leaving broken content in place. I will give you credit that you are rebalancing a number of things in this patch, but *cough*tech moons*cough*...

As for the middle point. From the point of view of a dronelands resident yes I would like to keep it the way it is (spawning everything at once). In my opinion this brings it back in line with other sites in other space. The reason being that in other space I don't have to have a person/alt follow me around salvaging. By being able to spawn the entire site at once, I can take aggro, and warp my salvager in, allowing me to salvage as I run it, and not having to spend extra time in the site. WIth aggro spawning at different times I now have to somehow protect my noctis in each and every site, slowing me down and lowering the ISK/min that can be made. Now, if this is still too high (the isk/min) then that is what needs to be balanced by removing value, I'm not sure what is made in other parts of space, so I won't comment on this.

I guess the tl;dr of all this is that I hope CCP isn't just looking at the raw value of the site, but the isk/minute value of each site. If one site is worth 20m and can be run in 2 minutes, and another site is worth 100m, but takes 100 minutes to run, the 100m site is not OP and needs not be nerfed, because that one makes you 1m isk per min while the other makes 10m isk per min. Exagerated example, but it gets the point across. Again, I have no idea how much you can make running sanctums in other space nets you on an isk/min scale, so maybe this does bring it in line, I just think it's the wrong way of going about it. It seems like the lazy way to fix a bug.

Still, if this is my only complaint about this patch, it's shaping up to be a nice one.

"daily" mission allotments per account

-- thats the only viable methon I can dream up that will allow players not terribly fond of pve to be able to afford and lose middle ships that are in the middle of the bell curve cost wise of what large groups deploy ( players only hoping to do it for a few hours a week at their half-assed focus level,)

Its got to be rediculoulsy easy for casual players to earn 40-50 million isk an hour for 5 hours a week per accound and only 5 hours a week near where they base for pvp, without fancy fit pve only ships...huge premeditation.

50 million isk an hour isn't a terribly high rate for power pve'rs... even multiboxing its likely a money loser in opportunity costs... and not an invitation to end run the new system by creating hundreds of alts accounts (and they'd be costing isk for plex too).

Maybe it.s 6 hours at 35 million a week .. idk the precise number isn't the point.

Any earning system that scales in an unlimmited way with time played is gong to be at risk of marginalizing the play experience of people who'd like to pay a company a modest amount of money a month and do thiings they enjoy for the modest number of hours a week they log on to play the game.

Parts of the game will still be that way but Creating a bit of a safety net for pvpr's in the center is going to allow you to be more agressive cutting back the earnings from the infinitely repeatable activities.