Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, my first impression is that I'm rather underwhelmed. Lets look at the details here...

First off, the bonus's.

Armor resist bonus
Drone Damage bonus
RR amount
Large Energy Turret Optimal
Scan Probe Strength
+ virus strength

Armor resist, drone damage, no biggie. Nothing too interesting there. Energy turret optimal? ok, I suppose so.

RR amount? With no range bonus? This means that you are sitting around with an optimal of about 8ish km. Less than scram range. There is a reason why T3's are rarely used for logi's, and its not the price. Its the pathetic range of RR. Really to be used effectively, we need a RR range between 15 and 20km. Whether this is accomplished via a range bonus, or by changing the module itself, as it is, the range is too short to be used effectively. Attempting to do so will leave you a giant target for bombs, and makes it way too easy to get out of range either due to poor maneuvering, or getting bumped.

So these bonuses are all combining to say "I'm a giant brick that is going to sit still, not move, and let everything come to me". Then you look at the mass, which comes in at around half that of most other BS's. This is just screaming maneuverability, kiting around, and emphasizing movement. But the bonuses are saying otherwise. And we come back to maneuverability, but pitiful rep range, but a bonus to RR.

Moving on, lets look at the scan probe strength and virus strength. This is screaming "Probe with me, explore with me". With a 1+ bil isk ship. Between the mobility of this ship and its price tag, there is nothing to recommend this ship for exploration over the stratios, a T3, or using 2 characters, 1 scanning, 1 running sites. The only people who are going to use this for actual exploration are idiots, as something with this price tag will bring far too much unwelcome attention coming for it. These bonuses are going to get wasted, and go unused the majority of the time.

Next, lets look at the slot layout. 7/6/6, with bonus to armor tanking, and drones. Having utility mids is nice - but it isn't that nice. Really this ship needs a 7/5/7, or a 6/5/8 slot layout to be able to fit both tank and damage. 6 mids is waaaaay overkill for what this ship actually needs, while 6 lows is really too little for a ship that is expected to armor tank and fit actual damage.

All in all, I think I'll hold off on this ship in its current form, and stick with the stratios instead. The nestor doesn't provide enough to be worth its price tag, is too conflicted about what it actually wants to do, and doesn't excel in any one area enough to be worth picking up for any purpose.

-Arazel

Oh, an addendum -- to differentiate this ship from Blackops BS, I would say that the Nestor should not be able to fit the Covert Jump Portal Generator (blops bridge). This ties in with the general theme of the Sisters of Eve ships having limited, but not full covert capabilities (c.f. Astero and Stratios are unable to use covert cynos.)

A special logi bs. This is what many people are waiting for.

Imo, this ship should have:

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
150% bonus to Energy Transfer Array and Remote Armor Repair System range
20% bonus to Remote Armor Repair System capacitor use
40% reduction in the amount of heat damage absorbed by modules

Notes: Can fit covert ops cloaks and covert cynosural field generators. Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds.

Other nice bonuses: navigation, targeting

I spent years in a wormhole running spider-tanked battleship logistics, and now I fly logi in large fleet actions out in null. The need to keep the entire fleet bunched up on one another at times made maneuvering an annoying and frustrating proposition.

So, yes: for PVE and PVP, it needs a 100% range bonus to be effective. I'd say you want the amount bonus as well, or these things are going to be devoting an excessive amount of their slots to cap regen - especially since they're using energy weapons, which also need heavy cap recharge.

For WH exploration? Yeah I'm not seeing it...

Alright. The major flaw I see with it is 'Why fly it over another ship?' I don't see where it brings something unique to the table (other than its large price tag) RR with drones? A Domi is 1/8th the cost. Scanning ship? Why use a BS over something that is nimble and can warp while cloaked?

What if you dropped the laser bonus, the scan bonus, and the virus bonus and instead gave it a velocity bonus while cloaked and the ability to fit one (1 single) command link? Combine that with swapping out the amount bonus for the RR with a range and you'd have a unique ship.

if i had it my way you'd be banned for 30 day from posting in the eve-o forums for posting that suggestion. Stop sh*tting up these forums with ridiculously dumb suggestions.



and you!

+1 to spacepriest

Im confused

I like it as is. Fills all the holes it was supposed to and gives incentive to some neglected modules/practices.
My use of it would be an alts ship as an escort in a sanctum or DED site. Repairs, and DPS support with drones. The less clicking on my alt while on site the better. Nice passive performer for me. Will load it with lasers for the projection of an Apocalypse, Sentries, Cap transfer, and Remote armour repair. Maybe remote tracking in the mids for my mains ship beside it.

Believe, its primary role would be in a worm hole or far away place. Nothing says self sustainable like lasers and huge drone bay. Great solo ship as well as fleet.

I am not in favour of increasing the remote repair modules range. It already has a bonus to repair amount...range on top of that would be OP. Besides, train up your Heavy Repair Drones. With a base range of 48Km should be able to repair a friendly in need if you respond in time, then send back out your sentries. That should be enough range for a Battleship with repair as ONE of it's functions, but certainly not it's primary. That's what Logistics are for. Stay close to Mother if your under that much fire.

Like the scanning bonuses, and I breathed a sigh of relief when you decided against a covert ops cloak on a battleship. Cloaks are over used as it is, in my opinion. Be nice to see it in action in incursions, WH, fleets, and roaming for ghost sites.