Missions & Complexes

My situation is as follows:

I have no prior WH experience (and been away from EVE for a while so WH stuff is new to me). I'm amarr specced and have been looking for a WH corp, but it seems that almost everyone is strictly using shield tanking based fleets. Everyone except one 'elite' corp in a C6 for which I don't meet the requirements. I really dislike the idea of cross training for shield tanking (feels like wasting several million sp just for carebearing).

Are there actually corps that do medium difficulty WH and can fit armor tankers in? Or am I screwed unless I crosstrain?

I started getting information about wh life with a pod cast named "lost in eve." I advise you to check it out, and listen to episode one and go through the series. A corp that only does shields in a wh does this cause they may occupy a wh with benefits. Some wh's give bonus to shields, armor, velocity etc. This is likely why they primarily shield tank. Armor tanking is great imo, though I find shield tanking better, sometimes. It really depends on the situation. I wouldn't tell someone they can't join my corp though, cause they armor tank... Keep looking for an armor tanking corp, that resides in a wh that benefits armor tanks and apply to them. Talk with the ceo and see what they are all about before joining the corp. You are Amarr and they have great armor tanking vessels that can give shield tankers a run for their money, personally, one of my favorites is the Pilgrim and Damnation. Legion's can run fine in a c4, as long as you are not trying to solo it...

WH life is different, fun, exciting, and can be a pain in the butt, some corps may have strict rules while living in the wh, jsut know that most of the rules MAY be for the benefit of the corp.

This was cleared up by a dev on a previous post not so long ago.
Wormhole effects do not have any effect on the sleepers or any POS in the system.

Do you know which post? I heard different things.

I saw a lot Armor Corps in Whs. Keep searching.

I think Armor is better because of the 90% web from Vindicators for Dreads.

We are Flying Shields so its only a guess.

IT's true, WH effects no longer effect sleepers or POS, I've lived in WH's for 16 months, and this is fact. Was changed sometime ago.

As to Armor vs Shield, simple. In C3 and lower an armor ship is just as good, but once you get into higher class WH's, shields rule. If you have a capital or dedicated logistics, armor is still functional, but to maximize your time, shield is the I-Win button, and for a few reasons.

Shields use med slots, armor uses low. If you want high DMG, you need low slots for heatsinks/tracking etc. This means most shield setups will out DPS similar armor setups with similar tank.

Shields start there boost at beginning of cycle, not end (like armor), which means logistics "feel safer", even though armor tanking is generally more efficient.

Tengu, and i say it again, TENGUUUUUUUU. This ship single-handedly has changed WH's, you can fir a tengu to do C3 anomalies solo with over 900 DPS tank and over 500 DPS output. It's effective against all the sleepers, including the fast lil frigates. Theres few armor ships that can match a tengu.

You can also field a very impressive tank on a tengu using only frigate sized deadspace shield boosters, which are much cheaper then cruiser sized deadspace armor reps.

I will say that the legion is a close second. It can still safely solo a C3 site, though it's not nearly as fast in doing so (difference in damage, and damage projection)

Note that while shields are usually superior in C3 and above, in c2 and lower it doesn't matter. A harbinger can take them no sweat.


Furthermore, we welcome all tanking types, and feel variety is the spice of life, and it's or prefferred seasoning for the corpses of our enemies.

If you like armor tanking and want to try WH's, contact me, we may have room for you in the Legion.

Wind

I figured the primary reason for the popularity of shields in higher class wormholes is from the heavy neuting. Its possible to build a strong passive shield tank, but not as easy to armor tank without cap.

find me one shield capital worth flying to deal with sleeper.

lowclass wh, shield works fine, higher class, you better start training for armor.

Oh that would be awesome. I hope it works as well as eft says it should.

Likely nothing except the title of this thread is advice for ARMOR tanker.

My dear friend, I wish I could have answered this sooner for you. Please listen to what I have to tell you as it is very important.

A long time ago, in a wormhole far far away, an armor tanker like yourself, but Gallente, used to happily run C2's in his myrmidon. Then, one day his corp mate was running them in his Drake...about 5 - 8 minutes faster. The armor tanker looked at his 3.4 mil in gunnery skills and compared them to the 1.3 mil in missile skills of his friend and was very sad but continued to use his myrm and try to "make" it work better. The myrm pilot eventually completed training for a proteus and he was very happy with his accomplishment. He was now doing C2 sites in about half the time that it took him in his myrm. But then, his drake friend finally finished training for a tengu. The proteus pilot became sad again when he found out that the tengu pilot was able to complete those same sites in about 5 - 8 minutes faster. The proteus pilot continued on, however, his love for his Gallente blood waning every day. A few weeks passed and the proteus and tengu pilot moved to a c3. The tengu pilot happily completed c3 sites with minmal difficulties. The proteus pilot had much more difficulties. He could not get within range of his targets due to webbing. He could not track his targets because he could not manuever. From that day forth he cursed his Gallente guns. He cursed his proteus. And he cursed all things that suffered tracking and falloff distances. Forever did he become a tengu pilot to farm sleepers. The proteus pilot turned tengu pilot became very happy and never looked back at his proteus except for pvp.

The issue isn't tanking. The issue is the gun. With missiles you get rid of falloff and tracking issues. Missiles also do not require cap so you can depend on ALL OF YOUR CAP for your tank. With missiles you can project +500 dps from 1km away to over 100km away with no falloff. That means you don't have to worry about crappy dps far off. You have no tracking issues so that means you don't have to worry about crappy dps at close range. The tengu isn't the king of pvp because it's a shield tank. It's the king of pvp because it's a missile platform that happens to be a shield tanker. Missiles not requiring cap make it's shield tank that much better. It's the missiles that make the tengu what it is.

So, I hope this helps.