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My First Ratting Ship
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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-12-02 23:50:00 UTC
Run some high sec anoms. It's better pay than mining and will get you in the mind set of how to deal with rat aggro. Mining skills are only four for mining but combat, core & weapon support skills will carry into pvp.

If an ishkur is your goal then using a tristan will be a better stepping stone rather than the incursus. I would suggest moving into a destroyer for low sec. A light active tank is all you will need but being able to punch out as much dps as possible will be key to your survival. The les time you spend in one belt the better. Low sec residents are exceedingly gif with d-scan and won't take long to find you.

One more piece of advice. Look at the IsIs system for ishkur related skills. I can promise that you don't have the support and cite skills on place to make an assault frig anything more than an expensive loss. You will suffer losses. It is part of low sec. The fun part. Tristan and algos are cheap and effective. If you are clever and learn fast you will have few enough losses that they will be easily covered by bounty and loot. But if I saw a 2 week old character in an expensive AF I would take advantage of that in a hilarious way.

Good luck out there. And hit me up in game if you have any questions or want to get your feet wet.
Zero Neutral Revenge
Bleeding Hearts United
#22 - 2013-12-02 23:59:04 UTC
Can someone please define belt-ratting for me?

I assume it's fighting pirates in asteroid belts...

I have not been to low/null sec yet so I don't know what it is really.

Is it worth trying to kill rats in heavier ships?

What is the benefit of belt-ratting over running missions?

How does one go about belt-ratting/what is the most efficient way to do it?
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-12-03 08:50:35 UTC
Highsec belt ratting is good if you just look for the faction spawns and their wrecks in a fast warping frigate.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-12-03 08:55:44 UTC
Zero Neutral Revenge wrote:
Can someone please define belt-ratting for me?

I assume it's fighting pirates in asteroid belts...

I have not been to low/null sec yet so I don't know what it is really.

Is it worth trying to kill rats in heavier ships?

What is the benefit of belt-ratting over running missions?

How does one go about belt-ratting/what is the most efficient way to do it?


- Heavier ships are generally better off ratting in nullsec anomalies or running L4 missions. Belt ratting is best done in fast warping ships with evasion tank and focus in damage output+agility.
- Benefit over running missions is spike income from finding valuable faction loot. Belt ratting is a treasure hunt.
- Most efficient ways to do it are fast ships in high/lowsec (interceptor, assault frigate) cherry picking only faction spawns, and semi fast ships in nullsec with high damage output (stealth bomber, HAC, tier3 BC) chaining for battleship spawns in a good system.


Old Phill
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-12-03 09:38:41 UTC
The Spod wrote:
Your ishtar focus is good. T2 sentries will deal very nice damage much quicker than other weapon systems.

For belt ratting, use a drone focused frigate and use afterburner to speed tank. T2 light drones are necessary, gallente drones are best damage so focus accordingly to thermal weak rats:
Serpentis, gurista, sansha, blood raider.

To get the most worth of your agile frigate, only look for faction commander spawns (shadow serpentis, TRUE sansha, dread guristas, dark blood). These are 1 in 40 belt spawns.

Fit drone damage amplifiers, afterburner, some local tank.


1 in 40 my luck is bad havnt got one in easily over 400
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-12-03 10:05:38 UTC
Ok I have now bought myself a tristan, any tips on how to kit it out?
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-12-03 12:10:26 UTC
Tristan:
lowslots armor repairer and drone damage amplifiers
midslots afterburner, sensor booster*
rigs 1 drone control range augmenter, processor overc locks if needed
highslots tractor beam, cloak (optional utility)

* warp to 50km on belts, keep range to rats, kill frigates first, keep moving transversally to bigger ships, only engage faction spawns. Hobgoblin II drones, fight serpentis, sansha, gurisra or blood only
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-12-03 12:18:09 UTC
The philosophy on above Tristan of mine is to tank with range and speed, which allows most drone damage amplifiers to be fitted. Drone damage is key to killing the rats before someone lands on your belt to ruin the day.

Range tanks vs. frigate rats, transversal vs. cruiser and BS rats. Drone damage allows killing off frigates before they tickle your drones, to further improve an omnidirectional would help the hobs to track frigs but CPU is probably very tight because of drone damage amps.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-12-03 12:31:31 UTC
Bit more spam on required skills:
• electronics needed for CPU, can be eased with CPU rigs
• drones rigging needed for drone range rig, easier on CPU than drone link
• weapon upgrades IV required for t2 drone damage amps
• Drones V and scout drones V required for hobgoblin II, combat drones at least IV for damage, drone interfacing at least IV for damage (though you'll train all of these to V for ishtar)
• long range targeting needed for range and sensor booster
• navigation skills for tanking and putting agility to isk/h
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-12-03 14:51:35 UTC
Thank you for that skill list and Ship fit, all other ones online I found are out of date :( so that give me my shopping list for later and skill that I need to train in :) Got most of them but have a few more levels to get haha
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#31 - 2013-12-03 16:09:39 UTC
The Vexor leads into the Ishtar, so no wasted skill points! *\o/*

Any ideas about where you'd like to start out ratting?
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-12-03 16:23:30 UTC
Meyr wrote:
The Vexor leads into the Ishtar, so no wasted skill points! *\o/*

Any ideas about where you'd like to start out ratting?


Yeah I think that after the Tristan the Vexor is the next unless I feel that I can safely go straight to the Ishtar :)

Im a few days away from being fully capable of using the Tristan and it is nice and cheap so doesn't matter if I die lots. So with that I can get used to how the low/null sec is and how ratting is, then from there I can decide if I can afford and if i am capable of going to the Ishtar.

Haven't really thought of location yet, any ideas?
Ginger Barbarella
#33 - 2013-12-03 17:27:42 UTC
Nyru Red wrote:
No I do mean Belt Ratting.

I know I dont have the skills yet, but I want to know what to aim for, what to buy to get ready and skills needed to train in :)


Just starting out I'd suggest something like a Rupture or a Stabber (both Minmatar cruisers), and projectile weps are easy to get into, cheap, and damage-selectable. I got my low-sec start in Minnie FW years ago doing some ratting in the war zone with both Stabbers and Ruptures, and they both served me well.

Don't worry about T2 ships and weps just yet; I'd suggest getting the compensation skills up, get into T2 support (like weapon & hull upgrades), navigation skills (for agility and AB bonuses), and try to get into T2 guns (with faction ammo) when you can. All of those basic support skills will help with both NPCs and the players you'll run into fairly quickly. Learn to find/setup safes, learn the tricks for travelling in hostile space, and how to watch for traffic patterns in systems.

Above all else, don't get discouraged when you lose a ship. It's all part of the game. Lol Stick with cheap hulls until you're READY to fly better ships.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2013-12-03 21:43:53 UTC
Nyru Red wrote:
Meyr wrote:
The Vexor leads into the Ishtar, so no wasted skill points! *\o/*

Any ideas about where you'd like to start out ratting?


Yeah I think that after the Tristan the Vexor is the next unless I feel that I can safely go straight to the Ishtar :)

Im a few days away from being fully capable of using the Tristan and it is nice and cheap so doesn't matter if I die lots. So with that I can get used to how the low/null sec is and how ratting is, then from there I can decide if I can afford and if i am capable of going to the Ishtar.

Haven't really thought of location yet, any ideas?


navy vexor or gila is also a nice stepping stone, they can manage 5 sentries.. Navy vexor has enough lows to fit 3 x DDA and some tank, leaving your mids free ...
Pick any low sec that isn't part of the FW arena as a start. As mentioned earlier. provi is a safish good start also.. the locals wont shoot you, CVA operates a NRDS = Not Red Don't Shoot policy.. good place for pvp to catch you also.. but that is where I satrted.. .just find a quite spot.. you can also dock at their stations for a fee
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#35 - 2013-12-04 06:19:46 UTC
Starting out, try the low sec areas of Gallente space. Verge Vendor, Placid, or Solitude, in that order.

Also, Aridia can be fun, but you'll need to stockpile a few ships nearby, as that market is just awful.

Keep an eye out for the various 'Clone Soldier' rats. Nice bounties, and the tags they drop sell VERY well.

Let us know how you do!
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-12-04 09:55:23 UTC
Thank you all for the locations, I will definitely have a look at them all when I have trained in the skills for my tristan (and then finish building it) :)

Will keep you all up to dat with how its going, im sure there will be more questions from me when I get started haha
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-12-05 09:39:39 UTC
Ok, so I was half watching TV and half mining on Eve when I noticed how close I was to being able to fly and buy a Vexor and wondered if it would be better to just go straight for that?

Also what good ratting fits are there for the Vexor?
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-12-05 13:36:55 UTC
Nyru Red wrote:
Ok, so I was half watching TV and half mining on Eve when I noticed how close I was to being able to fly and buy a Vexor and wondered if it would be better to just go straight for that?

Also what good ratting fits are there for the Vexor?


Be wary of the trap of jumping up a hull too soon. Being able to sit in a hull is not the same as being able to fly it effectively. That said the new cert system can be both good and bad for a new player. Looking at the r1 for the vexor and seeing that you are only r2 in what you fly now may be more of a leap back than you realize.

That said, for pve currently drones are your very best initial investment. So focus on them. Get to where you can run 5x T2 warriors and hobgoblins with moderate support skills.

Next get the engineering and other pilot skills needed to fly an assault frig cooking while still using your T1 frigs. Inevitably you will lose many of them. But as cheap as they are no loss overall a couple bs rats will pay the bill.

Next you'll want to get your navigation and tank skills up to par. Easy way for that would be to just get applicable mods to T2 and comps to 4. Most likely this will line up with the vex/fish rank3 or so.

After that you are looking at a choice of paths. Get the drone upgrades and sentries as your Focus. Switch to going up the cruiser line towards hacs first. Or stay where you are for a while and max out the cores/supports.

By the time you're there you should be flying a very well fit enyo and clearing systems in a mater on min. You should also have made enough isk in the T1 frig phase to be able to absorb the loss of an occasional enyo without being crippled.
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-12-05 13:53:47 UTC
Thanks for that :)

Ok I shall hold off all my urges to get a bigger ship until I get used to the Tristan... Id hate to fork out 30K+ on a Vexor to lose it quickly due to my own stupidity, at least I can buy a fully kitted out Tristan each day if needed haha.
kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#40 - 2013-12-06 00:06:30 UTC
If you plan on going anywhere that PvP is likely to happen; don't go there without T2 tank, T2 drones and at least Drone Interfacing 4. That is if you think about going there in a Vexor. Edit: Assuming solo.

Do go there in a Tristan or whatever other frig, if for nothing else than to experience low/null.

Frigs fitted out in meta 3 gear are cheap and will still beat the rock to their paper. But mostly; it will teach you how to run away, how long you can be at a place before attracting attention, to watch d-scan like a hawk and (assuming you try to fight any other T1 frig that has a go at you) what precisely is a rock, a paper and a scissor in regards to your fit.
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