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I have Awakened...

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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#21 - 2013-12-02 19:32:05 UTC
Dear Pilot,

Honesty is a much more difficult virtue to obtain than we would like to think and it is most certainly not this easily discerned in others.

None of us can reach into the will of another and claim to know the core of motivation. So, my words are not words of judgment, but words of caution to a new pilot.

As the pilot says, violence is his means to an end; the end being “making ISK.” He is concerned that he not begin to “enjoy the killing.” Indulge me for a few minutes to examine this.

First… Generally, we become known by the means we use to achieve whatever ends we value. Now this is true most of the time. Let me illustrate…

If you use the means of a land transport vehicle to deliver goods achieving the end that someone else has them, you are called by the means: “Trucker” or “Delivery man.”
If you use deadly force to defend a country, nation, or sovereignty to the end that that entity is preserved you are often called a “Soldier” or “Home Guard.”
If you teach, train, or mentor in a higher learning setting such that your students become knowledgeable and competent you are called: “Teacher” or “Professor” or “Instructor.”
The person who uses mining, manufacturing, or trading to acquire ISK is called a “miner” or “industrialist” or “trader.”

These and many, many more are examples of how we become called by the means we employ. What do we call someone who kills for money? Who hires out skills of violence to the highest paying company or faction or country? At best we call them “mercenaries.” At worst we call them “killers.” For capsuleers the line between soldier and mercenary is thin and it is usually ISK that triumphs over other values and so breaks the line.

Second… Almost always, we find fulfillment in the achievement and exercise of skill, aptitude and proficiency in the means we use towards the ends we desire. Seldom can we neatly keep a separation between the ends we desire and enjoyment or satisfaction in the means to achieve them. It is highly likely that if you love ISK you will end up loving the means you use to get it. We see this all the time.

We enjoy the “job well done” as much or more than the ISK it brings. Beware pilot! If you kill for ISK you will almost certainly end up enjoying the kill! Honesty isn’t what you say here. Honesty is stopping yourself the very first time you fist pump a hearty “yes!” after a kill. I know of very few capsuleers who once choose to kill who can resist the pleasure, the satisfaction of it. Don’t let anyone here stroke you by calling you honest. No one here knows you well enough to say that. Want to be honest? Start by acknowledging that you will be called by the means you habitually use. Eventually, you will demonstrate your “enjoyment” by the things you choose to do.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Yu Tasogare
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-12-02 19:41:27 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:
Dear Pilot,

Honesty is a much more difficult virtue to obtain than we would like to think and it is most certainly not this easily discerned in others.

None of us can reach into the will of another and claim to know the core of motivation. So, my words are not words of judgment, but words of caution to a new pilot.

As the pilot says, violence is his means to an end; the end being “making ISK.” He is concerned that he not begin to “enjoy the killing.” Indulge me for a few minutes to examine this.

First… Generally, we become known by the means we use to achieve whatever ends we value. Now this is true most of the time. Let me illustrate…

If you use the means of a land transport vehicle to deliver goods achieving the end that someone else has them, you are called by the means: “Trucker” or “Delivery man.”
If you use deadly force to defend a country, nation, or sovereignty to the end that that entity is preserved you are often called a “Soldier” or “Home Guard.”
If you teach, train, or mentor in a higher learning setting such that your students become knowledgeable and competent you are called: “Teacher” or “Professor” or “Instructor.”
The person who uses mining, manufacturing, or trading to acquire ISK is called a “miner” or “industrialist” or “trader.”

These and many, many more are examples of how we become called by the means we employ. What do we call someone who kills for money? Who hires out skills of violence to the highest paying company or faction or country? At best we call them “mercenaries.” At worst we call them “killers.” For capsuleers the line between soldier and mercenary is thin and it is usually ISK that triumphs over other values and so breaks the line.

Second… Almost always, we find fulfillment in the achievement and exercise of skill, aptitude and proficiency in the means we use towards the ends we desire. Seldom can we neatly keep a separation between the ends we desire and enjoyment or satisfaction in the means to achieve them. It is highly likely that if you love ISK you will end up loving the means you use to get it. We see this all the time.

We enjoy the “job well done” as much or more than the ISK it brings. Beware pilot! If you kill for ISK you will almost certainly end up enjoying the kill! Honesty isn’t what you say here. Honesty is stopping yourself the very first time you fist pump a hearty “yes!” after a kill. I know of very few capsuleers who once choose to kill who can resist the pleasure, the satisfaction of it. Don’t let anyone here stroke you by calling you honest. No one here knows you well enough to say that. Want to be honest? Start by acknowledging that you will be called by the means you habitually use. Eventually, you will demonstrate your “enjoyment” by the things you choose to do.

I know full well that people will call me killer, murderer, and a vareity of monikers that are far from desireable. that being said, one of my largest goals is to explore the wormholes that have popped up a few years back. I need to know how to fight when i explore the wormholes to defend myself from other capsuleers and sleeper drones as well as eventually fighting against Sansha and his little slaves.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#23 - 2013-12-02 19:53:42 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:
Dear Pilot,

Honesty is a much more difficult virtue to obtain than we would like to think and it is most certainly not this easily discerned in others.

None of us can reach into the will of another and claim to know the core of motivation. So, my words are not words of judgment, but words of caution to a new pilot.

As the pilot says, violence is his means to an end; the end being “making ISK.” He is concerned that he not begin to “enjoy the killing.” Indulge me for a few minutes to examine this.

First… Generally, we become known by the means we use to achieve whatever ends we value. Now this is true most of the time. Let me illustrate…

If you use the means of a land transport vehicle to deliver goods achieving the end that someone else has them, you are called by the means: “Trucker” or “Delivery man.”
If you use deadly force to defend a country, nation, or sovereignty to the end that that entity is preserved you are often called a “Soldier” or “Home Guard.”
If you teach, train, or mentor in a higher learning setting such that your students become knowledgeable and competent you are called: “Teacher” or “Professor” or “Instructor.”
The person who uses mining, manufacturing, or trading to acquire ISK is called a “miner” or “industrialist” or “trader.”

These and many, many more are examples of how we become called by the means we employ. What do we call someone who kills for money? Who hires out skills of violence to the highest paying company or faction or country? At best we call them “mercenaries.” At worst we call them “killers.” For capsuleers the line between soldier and mercenary is thin and it is usually ISK that triumphs over other values and so breaks the line.

Second… Almost always, we find fulfillment in the achievement and exercise of skill, aptitude and proficiency in the means we use towards the ends we desire. Seldom can we neatly keep a separation between the ends we desire and enjoyment or satisfaction in the means to achieve them. It is highly likely that if you love ISK you will end up loving the means you use to get it. We see this all the time.

We enjoy the “job well done” as much or more than the ISK it brings. Beware pilot! If you kill for ISK you will almost certainly end up enjoying the kill! Honesty isn’t what you say here. Honesty is stopping yourself the very first time you fist pump a hearty “yes!” after a kill. I know of very few capsuleers who once choose to kill who can resist the pleasure, the satisfaction of it. Don’t let anyone here stroke you by calling you honest. No one here knows you well enough to say that. Want to be honest? Start by acknowledging that you will be called by the means you habitually use. Eventually, you will demonstrate your “enjoyment” by the things you choose to do.

Some people say you are what you eat, and they too are wrong.

You can let what you do define you, or you can define what you do.

In EVE honesty defines itself, and hopefully you can define yourself as honest. That is the best pilot to fly with , an honest one. Perhaps you will be a skillful killer/ merc. Perhaps a skillful arms dealer/ builder. If you allow the enjoyment of the means to out weigh the ends, perhaps you'll lose your way.

Be first honest with yourself.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#24 - 2013-12-02 22:30:39 UTC
Here's some advice.

Do yourself a favor, and stay out of war zones. If you don't know where a war zone is, then ask people who do.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-12-02 23:09:35 UTC
One day you fear the monsters in the dark, then another day you see all the body bags on the docks, the injured, and the dying without feeling and calm repose. I think it's on that day you realize that you're somewhere else now and the rest of humanity is still just right there.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
#26 - 2013-12-03 03:02:51 UTC
I remember running a mission for an Amarrian slaving group, back before I left Amarr. I shot down a group of frigates who were attempting to smuggle slaves out of Amarr space. I activated a few of my on board lasers and the bright colors burned a rainbow in the space in front of me. A small flash as the reactors on the small vessel imploded. A shower of corpses dumped into space, I guess the cargo container the slaves had been in ruptured.

My first thought was annoyance at the fact that the agent almost certainly would take the costs of the lost slaves out of my commission.

Capsaleers have a warped view of life. I still see the faces of some of those lifeless corpses at night...

...I am not terribly proud of my past.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#27 - 2013-12-03 10:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
One day you fear the monsters in the dark,..........
As your lasers shred through the hull of the vessel you targeted and the burning twisting wreckage has both biomass and molten metal spilling into the darkness of space to be flash frozen in the horrific rictus of the painful death you just administered. The baseliners unlucky enough to have worked for your enemy or opponent or simply a target of opportunity will never be going home. You will salvage the wreck, harvest the biomass for whatever isk the market will provide, because you are a capsuleer. A death merchant.

That day you realize you are the monster in the dark.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-12-03 11:00:28 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:


That day you realize you are the monster in the dark.


I never denied that I am, but just one among many.

Reflect long enough upon violence and you abandon the need for pretense or lies. Much better to be honest than to disgust myself with the affectations of the righteous.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#29 - 2013-12-03 11:12:53 UTC
Oh rise n' shine? Good morning Mr Tasogare!

Take Anatole's advice and take it easy. You'll do just fine.

Welcome to your new career sir. Fly safe ... or irresponsibly, depending on location I guess.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-12-03 18:02:14 UTC
Yu Tasogare wrote:
I have to admit over these past two weeks... it's nice being a capsuleer. I remember the first time I went into the capsule: I was nervous that I'd suffer from wet grave or mind-lock. however, after I got into the capsule for the first time, I felt free for the first time. truly free. I'm not going to lie, I have in missions killed a fair amount of people... but as unfortunate as that is, this sort of thing happens. I just hope I don't grow to actually enjoy killing... I just view it as a means to an end, with said end being making ISK.

Feeling free is... I know, how it was. Once I was thrown into a capsule and told to 'fly'. No orders, no instructions. It was very hard from the start, but I have found ideals, rules, and obligations, that made me human once again.

Freedom is a chaos and destruction. Freedom will rot your soul and can turn you into a mindless beast, roaming unlimited vastness of space with only purpose of purposeless existence.

Choose wisely, what to do. But I honestly wish you to find strength to overcome the freedom. To find bonds, that will hold you as Human. Bonds, like loyalty, duty, love, morals, obligations, codes, laws and regulations.

Choose wisely, for many roads are opened for you now. You can dedicate your life to duty, as a Citizen, Soldier and Human, or you can succumb to freedom and slowly turn yourself into wild useless animal.

Choose wisely, pilot.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Cuci Cairi
#31 - 2013-12-03 18:05:09 UTC
While self-awareness rarely has a negative component, I recommend you find something enjoyable in your work.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#32 - 2013-12-04 01:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Stitcher wrote:
I'Frankly, it's refreshing to see the brutal honesty of the statement "I've killed for money, but I don't really care. So long as I don't actually enjoy it I'm probably doing okay." that's an attitude to admire, I think - we're never going to accomplish anything if we wallow in self-hatred and doubt. .


For some of us it's the other way around. I personally enjoy turning scumbags into space debris. That I happen to get paid for it is just a bonus. But even if there was not a single ISK involved there would still be those holding the lines against Sansha, the Blood Raiders, and the rest of their kind.

Diana Kim wrote:
Freedom is a chaos and destruction. Freedom will rot your soul and can turn you into a mindless beast, roaming unlimited vastness of space with only purpose of purposeless existence.

Choose wisely, what to do. But I honestly wish you to find strength to overcome the freedom. To find bonds, that will hold you as Human. Bonds, like loyalty, duty, love, morals, obligations, codes, laws and regulations.

Choose wisely, for many roads are opened for you now. You can dedicate your life to duty, as a Citizen, Soldier and Human, or you can succumb to freedom and slowly turn yourself into wild useless animal.


Reminds me of something I read in some ancient book at the Imperial Library back on Amarr Prime... only God Himself only knows how old it was. And you know even then it had to be reprint or translation or something of an even older. book. Anyway, it went like this:

"I have gained this from Faith: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law."

And I agree with what you said, by the way. As Hanzo (the sword guy) says "The only true discipline is self-discipline, for it is the only kind you can never betray without being caught."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Ramius Decimus
Daitengu Fleet
#33 - 2013-12-07 11:15:15 UTC
Welcome to the less-than-1% elite caste of New Eden, recent Academy graduate and fellow Empyrean!

I felt the same way you did when I first connected to a capsule. Free. Powerful. Demigod-like. Just don't forget the nation that paved the way for you and made you what you are. Learn the ways of the galaxy, young Capsuleer, but remain true to the State that gave you your immortality and the State will remain true to you.

Also, consider that as powerful as you are that you are still an element of a system or another. The plethora of NCP (non-capsuleer personnel) deaths you are responsible for is in no small part yours alone. Many of them would not be dead if it were not ordered from a higher power, or if they had not volunteered to crew warships or live in contested space. Especially for those whom accept crew contracts onboard our very own starships, no doubt viewed as titanium-diborite coffins among the enlisted ring of scuttlebutt.

You have become a Capsuleer, the State made you a Capsuleer to make a difference. I dare say you will.

Rear Admiral

Commander-in-Chief

90th Fleet

Caldari Navy

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#34 - 2013-12-08 01:33:57 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
One day you fear the monsters in the dark,..........
As your lasers shred through the hull of the vessel you targeted and the burning twisting wreckage has both biomass and molten metal spilling into the darkness of space to be flash frozen in the horrific rictus of the painful death you just administered. The baseliners unlucky enough to have worked for your enemy or opponent or simply a target of opportunity will never be going home. You will salvage the wreck, harvest the biomass for whatever isk the market will provide, because you are a capsuleer. A death merchant.

That day you realize you are the monster in the dark.

That is possibly the most poetic thing I've read yet.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#35 - 2013-12-08 07:31:16 UTC
Shiori Shaishi wrote:
Unless, as in legends, your tears can restore the dead to life, it makes ultimately very little difference whether you cry your eyes out or laugh coldly at the dead left in your wake.

Not all is tangible. Self worth is important as it moderates how you deal with others and that plays into how fame can be as valuable as fortune and the word of a trustful person holds as much weight as a contract when trading favors in lieu of currency. Sure it may not make a difference on the whole, but maybe it makes a difference to somebody.

As for the OP, we are all mercenaries, merchants of death. That's something we have to live with but if you lack the resolve to keep doing it then you can always retire. Though it may be of only minor solace, at the very least (most of) the people people on those ships are there of their own volition and know the risks, such is the life of a soldier or spacer.

As far as killing becoming enjoyable, I am not sure that possible if you aren't a sociopath, and that sort of person wouldn't ask about it nor be concerned by the prospect. I was a naval officer before becoming a capsuleer, and in my experience it is already easier to fire shipboard guns at a target than it is to pull a trigger and fire a weapon at another human being. In the heat of combat you are concerned with destroying ships with little thought to the fact that action involves killing people. An Unfortunate consequence of this, though, is that destroying ships CAN possibly become enjoyable
Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
#36 - 2013-12-09 13:11:33 UTC
It is a poor merchant who only has one product to sell.

CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Personal Biography

Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-12-15 06:10:26 UTC
I don't think you realize how many people you kill Mr. Yu. A single battleship can have thousands with a baseline crew and I have destroyed countless of them during my time. Its not necessarily that one enjoys killing, even though the justifiable fear is there, but that we do it so long that it doesn't bother us. We're cold and rational monsters doing what we do best.

If it bothers you much then become an industrialist, a market trader, or a miner. Less profit but much safer.
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