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The Scimitar, WH fit.

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GoGet Tyke
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-03 05:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: GoGet Tyke
I plan to rep for my people when we raid a empty low class WH, would this work or would I need to go tanker? Are the Remote Tracking computers going to be helpful or should I change them out for a Large Shield Extender and a third Adaptive Invulnerability Field for around 32k EHP?

At the moment this has around 14k EHP, while the Scythe I use right now is at 10k, I rarely have any troubles when we run things. The Scimitar has a lock range of 72 km, and EFT says my Shield Boosters optimal range is at 71400 and Remote Tracking computer at 55250.

Still months away from getting into one, I mean I can fit it, but the cap life would be horrid. So I want to wait before jumping into it, my Scythe is TONS better then a ship I'll be out of cap...in like...6 seconds.


Stable cap, Remote Tracking Computer, around 14k EHP.

[Scimitar, End game Shield Logi]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Remote Tracking Computer II
Remote Tracking Computer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Stable cap, Large Shield Extender, extra Adaptive Invulnerability Field, around 32k EHP

(Yes I know the PG is off with this fit, but I'm just giving an example, I'll of course refit it for something more realistic, just a bit slow and tried at the moment of making this.)

[Scimitar, Logi for now]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Mocane Smith
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-12-03 11:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mocane Smith
In a low class WH (I assume c1-c4?) you might be better off using remote repair ships that can apply DPS. A single Logi cruiser in a small group is at risk of dying unless repped by someone, which means the damage dealers need to have shield transfers. In that logic why would you not run those sites using only RR ships which can apply some DPS and keep each other alive at the same time?

If someone disagrees and is using logi cruisers in their low class WH pve I'm curious to your fleet composition and efficiency and feel free to speak up :)
Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
#3 - 2013-12-03 11:34:22 UTC
We use 2 augorors cap-chained and a harbinger to apply dps, with the augorors' drones assisting the harby.

Works just fine in C2 Black Hole.

The harbinger hardly ever gets aggro, usually the sleepers switch between the two augorors, but the armor reps easily keep on top of the incoming dps.

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2013-12-03 11:36:49 UTC
When we first started we used buffer Drakes with either a pair of Ospreys or one Scythe. After a bit we realised that we didn't need them and got rid of them and switched to passive Drakes. There wasn't a huge change in efficiency for us because the logi were dual boxed.

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GoGet Tyke
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-12-03 14:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: GoGet Tyke
Mocane Smith wrote:
In a low class WH (I assume c1-c4?) you might be better off using remote repair ships that can apply DPS. A single Logi cruiser in a small group is at risk of dying unless repped by someone, which means the damage dealers need to have shield transfers. In that logic why would you not run those sites using only RR ships which can apply some DPS and keep each other alive at the same time?

If someone disagrees and is using logi cruisers in their low class WH pve I'm curious to your fleet composition and efficiency and feel free to speak up :)


We've been doing c3s with a mix of ships, there being 5 to 8 of us, just going at it for fun and a bit of quick isk. Drakes, Scorpions, Armageddons, Cyclones, and the odd T3. I RARELY ever get targeted with that many people so far ahead of me and the off chance I do, they are tanky enough for me to warp off and come back in, which I only do on the off chance all the BS sized sleepers target me at once. At the moment a few of them bring in reps and repair drones just in case the damage is to much for my ship to repair them from. Since that character is made for fullLogi work, I want to use something good enough to allow them to go full on DPS when we are together and not have to worry about saving someone else's butt.

I plan to train them up to be a triage carrier for future uses, so I have no plans in going DPS anytime soon.
Frantic Freddie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-12-05 06:36:31 UTC
We often run C3s in a shield-tanked Attack Battlecruiser fleet with a webber and a Scythe. If we're going to run data or relic sites, we'll usually upgrade the Scythe to a Scimitar or run dual Ospreys instead. The basic composition is one Attack Battlecruiser, one webber, and one logi. It scales well; we've run sites in 10-man fleets with sub-3-minute completion times, the goal being to just get through the magnificently huge number of sites left un-run in some C3s.

The webber role is pretty flexible. A Huginn is ideal, as is a Loki, but the role has been filled before by Drakes or anything else with decent frigate-shredding abilities.

Here's a sample local-rep Scythe that does the job with (minimum!) Minmatar Cruiser 4. The bots are fairly essential, as they bump up the repping just enough.

[Scythe, C3 Attack BC Doctrine]

Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Damage Control II

Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
5a Prototype Shield Support I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
EM Ward Field II

Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster
Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster
Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1

Be skeptical if you like, but I assure you it can tank all but data/relic sites in C3s just fine. Just remember to manually pilot the ship and keep your speed and transversal high, and you'll be fine.

A pair of Ospreys with just Caldari Cruiser 3 work great too, and we typically consider them mandatory for data/relic sites. I won't post a fit; they're just standard medium-shield-rep Ospreys.

Attack battlecruisers -- particularly shield-tanked ones! -- are pretty squishy in C4s. Make sure your logi are on the ball and have good skills, and focus a bit on more EHP and better resists than all-out DPS if you're going to run C4s. Plus a booster. Epically fast site completion times with an Attack BC fleet, though...
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#7 - 2013-12-05 10:53:58 UTC
Best choice for Logi is a couple stable RR-Tengus, imo. For everything up to c3, two of those will keep anything alive. RR-Lokis are possible aswell, adding both RR and longrange webs to your fleet, though only little dps.
GoGet Tyke
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-12-05 16:22:54 UTC
Frantic Freddie wrote:
We often run C3s in a shield-tanked Attack Battlecruiser fleet with a webber and a Scythe. If we're going to run data or relic sites, we'll usually upgrade the Scythe to a Scimitar or run dual Ospreys instead. The basic composition is one Attack Battlecruiser, one webber, and one logi. It scales well; we've run sites in 10-man fleets with sub-3-minute completion times, the goal being to just get through the magnificently huge number of sites left un-run in some C3s.

The webber role is pretty flexible. A Huginn is ideal, as is a Loki, but the role has been filled before by Drakes or anything else with decent frigate-shredding abilities.

Here's a sample local-rep Scythe that does the job with (minimum!) Minmatar Cruiser 4. The bots are fairly essential, as they bump up the repping just enough.

[Scythe, C3 Attack BC Doctrine]

Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Damage Control II

Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
5a Prototype Shield Support I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
EM Ward Field II

Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster
Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster
Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1

Be skeptical if you like, but I assure you it can tank all but data/relic sites in C3s just fine. Just remember to manually pilot the ship and keep your speed and transversal high, and you'll be fine.

A pair of Ospreys with just Caldari Cruiser 3 work great too, and we typically consider them mandatory for data/relic sites. I won't post a fit; they're just standard medium-shield-rep Ospreys.

Attack battlecruisers -- particularly shield-tanked ones! -- are pretty squishy in C4s. Make sure your logi are on the ball and have good skills, and focus a bit on more EHP and better resists than all-out DPS if you're going to run C4s. Plus a booster. Epically fast site completion times with an Attack BC fleet, though...


Thank you for that post, one which tells me how you fly and your thoughts on them. Don't often get people who don't right out tell me "Don't fly a Logi, use a damage ship with RR." after I right out tell them that I plan to use that character for Cap level RR.
James Arget
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#9 - 2013-12-05 19:36:41 UTC
Frantic Freddie wrote:
We often run C3s in a shield-tanked Attack Battlecruiser fleet with a webber and a Scythe. If we're going to run data or relic sites, we'll usually upgrade the Scythe to a Scimitar or run dual Ospreys instead. The basic composition is one Attack Battlecruiser, one webber, and one logi. It scales well; we've run sites in 10-man fleets with sub-3-minute completion times, the goal being to just get through the magnificently huge number of sites left un-run in some C3s.

The webber role is pretty flexible. A Huginn is ideal, as is a Loki, but the role has been filled before by Drakes or anything else with decent frigate-shredding abilities.

Here's a sample local-rep Scythe that does the job with (minimum!) Minmatar Cruiser 4. The bots are fairly essential, as they bump up the repping just enough.

[Scythe, C3 Attack BC Doctrine]

Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Damage Control II

Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
5a Prototype Shield Support I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
EM Ward Field II

Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster
Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster
Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1

Be skeptical if you like, but I assure you it can tank all but data/relic sites in C3s just fine. Just remember to manually pilot the ship and keep your speed and transversal high, and you'll be fine.

A pair of Ospreys with just Caldari Cruiser 3 work great too, and we typically consider them mandatory for data/relic sites. I won't post a fit; they're just standard medium-shield-rep Ospreys.

Attack battlecruisers -- particularly shield-tanked ones! -- are pretty squishy in C4s. Make sure your logi are on the ball and have good skills, and focus a bit on more EHP and better resists than all-out DPS if you're going to run C4s. Plus a booster. Epically fast site completion times with an Attack BC fleet, though...

That is ridiculous, in the best possible way. Bravo fine sir.

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Amrastion Tasartir
Syndicate Enterprise
Sigma Grindset
#10 - 2013-12-05 20:35:38 UTC
what a god awful fit, quit eve
Frantic Freddie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-12-06 14:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Frantic Freddie
If it's terrible yet it works... is it terrible?

I personally find it hilarious that it works! We had a lot of doubters in our alliance when we first tried it. Deep skepticism, followed by a demonstration (in which we almost lost a shield-tanked Oracle due to Minmatar 3 Scythe, oops!) Six months later, the "Oracle Fleet" is what everybody wants to fly if we have more than 2 guys online.

Here's your equivalent Scimitar fit. As with the Scythe, it's important to manually fly it (don't just orbit); keep transversal up, and remember you are cap-stable either running your local rep or running your remote rep. Not both at the same time! The way Sleeper aggro shifts, it also works well. We're confident running data/relic sites with just one Scimitar backing up the Attack BCs & webber; in fact, we ran a bunch of sites this way the night before last, and the data/relics were first that time. No sweat.

There are several other ways to make this kind of Scimitar work... I've posted what I use. Vary drones based upon needs; if using damage drones, assign them to the webber. The job becomes much easier if the Scimmy pilot has a lot of experience in logistics. I spent a couple of months flying Incursions, and that made me much better at the job. A couple of these or a couple of Basilisks plus a booster make a shield-tanked Oracle fleet competent and blazingly-fast at C4s, too...

[Scimitar, C3 Scimmy]

Damage Control II
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Capacitor Battery II

Large S95a Remote Shield Booster
Large S95a Remote Shield Booster
Large S95a Remote Shield Booster
Medium S95a Remote Shield Booster

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Warrior II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x4


Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-603
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Management EM-803



EDIT: I realized this discussion might be mainly about PvP. Both the Scythe and the Scimitar fits I posted are for PvE. By "raid" a neighboring wormhole, I assume you mean "run their sites", for which these both work perfectly, but if you're looking for PvP fits these are decidedly NOT IT!!!
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#12 - 2013-12-10 16:15:41 UTC
[Scimitar, Scimi C3]

4x Large S95a Remote Shield Booster

10MN Afterburner II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster (Cap Booster 200)
5a Prototype Shield Support I
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Damage Control II
3x Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I



Works like a charm. Just keep your primary DPS member as your anchor and keep that AB running. Don't panic when the sleepers are targetting you. Stop repping others if they're not and keep burning considering the low sig radius you're having.

I usually have 2 reps running for most sites, somethimes I need all 4 of them which is usually in the beginning.

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