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What of the Jove?

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2013-11-25 19:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
So-- one question, by the way. I remember folks posting those, but I'm still wondering how they got those pop-ups from Sleeper structures, and which structures they were...?

Edit;

Also, in response to your questions. Again, I'm just theorizing from a patchy memory of reading, which I'll need to re-do. Admittedly most of it is theory, and we don't have any reliable source of confirmation.

The first thing to note; I'd assume the Construct does allow for interaction, and is in many ways similar to the Matrix-- save that those within the Construct have some degree of control of it.

That said, do you have sourcing for your information on the Enheduanni? I feel like the Jove comments on 'the enemy' and such implicates that Sleepers/the Enheduanni are ideological enemies of the Jove-- likely because of VR, the Jovian Disease, and such factors.

Hmm.

So. You know how the Isogen-5 detonations were said to be the work of ancient civilizations whose planning ranges into the eons, and whose work is still being done? Perhaps this ties into the degree of surveillance; a Sleeping civilization whose work continues, and whose surveillance we fail to see because we always assume the Rogue Drones exist unto themselves. Which reminds me-- I still need to read the Aria fluff.

(sorry about the partial response; at work, and need to get stuff done.)

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#22 - 2013-12-01 00:31:43 UTC
Pardon my ignorance, but I assumed the Enheduanni were infomorphs of artificial origin as opposed to informorphs created from a human mind (like a sleeper or jovian or a capsuleer jumping from body to body would be)
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#23 - 2013-12-01 02:34:58 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Roga Dracor wrote:
Are they alive still? Is the recent activity in Jovian space, picked up by long range sensors, even Jovian?


First: what activity do long-range sensors pick up? Or is this seeing blips on the in-game map for certain stats?

Second: my impression is that SOCT, Genolution, Impro, etc, are operated by designated agents of the Jove as their interests dictate. In all likelihood, we see no active Jove agents because there are none active so far as the rest of New Eden can see. The confirmation of this if from Templar One, where a CONCORD leader sneers that the Jove are dead-- well, yes, so far as he can see. Whether this means the Jove are dead is another thing entirely.

So; let's make sure what I recall is accurate. I feel like there's contradictory information out there about early Jove empires. The first and second Jove empires arose in Curse; during the span of the first empire, the Jove Disease appeared. We're given reason to believe that the disease is genetic in nature, though how exactly this occurs is unknown; it can't be engineered away at this point, implying that it is not solely genetic in nature. That said, Templar One (Grious's explanation to Marcus Jror) indicates that the Architects became the Sleepers, who are predecessors to the Jove-- right? Or is it that the Talocan are the Jove, and the Architects/Sleepers tried to 'uplift' the Talocan/Jove to their level, but the Jove fled because they sought something other than simulated life? Considering that Sleepers are humans with significant genetic engineering (the empty slot for the cybernetic fifth lobe), it may be that the wasting disease is in part induced by the engineering for that fifth lobe, and-- this is where it starts to get fuzzy.

So. The Sleepers Sleep. It's very clear that their mindstates remain active in Sleeper facilities, given all the fluff; many bodies remain in cryogenic storage, and they live on in the accelerated mindspace of the Construct.

So-- are the Jove Sleeping? They've used cryogenics before, when fleeing to establish the third empire, right? Could these Jove motherships be the 'Strange Energy Readings' that pop up occasionally in C6 space?

To add to what you said.... it's also implied in Templar One that the Jovian Disease may have even been create by the Architects against the Jovians, trying to force them into joining them. I loved Templar OneBig smile

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Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-12-02 13:59:45 UTC
I thought they were all dead. I mean back when incusions launched wasnt there somewere a lore saying how the empires sended a probe into on of those wh the sanshas use to move around and got 1 picture of a sansha armada somewere in jove space?


Posted this on the other jove threat. Any confirmation on this?
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2013-12-02 17:23:08 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but I assumed the Enheduanni were infomorphs of artificial origin as opposed to informorphs created from a human mind (like a sleeper or jovian or a capsuleer jumping from body to body would be)


I'll need to take a bunch of post-its to my EVE books. Time to color code and annotate!

But I believe Marcus Gror asks Grious about the Enheduanni and whether they're human, and the response is, "Not anymore."

If I'm remembering that properly, that implies that they once were, soo.

Giuseppe;

You're remembering correctly. However, the question is whether this means that the Sansha conquered the Jove, or whether the Jove coopted the Sansha (militant Jove faction thinking that the Sansha's networked consciousness is the one defense against the Enheduanni?), whether the Jove are holed up in their stations going, "Welp. vOv" or so on.

For instance, it's possible that the Sansha have entered Jove space to find it once again abandoned, just as the Jove abandoned Curse...

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
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#26 - 2013-12-03 01:55:37 UTC
Well, who's to say there isn't more of a link between the Sansha and the Jovians, even?

It's a possibility, at the very least.

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Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-12-03 03:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Giuseppe R Raimondo
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Well, who's to say there isn't more of a link between the Sansha and the Jovians, even?

It's a possibility, at the very least.



jove dont seem to be the slave people or nore the sanshas seem to use the same technology as them. If you remeber the old picture of that probe sended into that wh. they were using empire ships too like moros, chimeras, whyverns and avatars. I would belive that if they would be working together the joves would drop a bit extra tech into there armys


found the picture
http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2010/06/sanshajove-title.jpg

edit
that tower in the back is the so called "Prosper Vault" suppost to be a key Jave station in 3-CE1R (jove space)
3 chance for this picture or sanshas have a full control of jove space or just a foothold or that they are working together (but i dont see the point why the jove a forca that has been trying to have all empire forces in a fair/neutral and on the same level of technology would just give everything to the sanshas to let them keep there man hunting and criminal acts going)
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2013-12-03 04:00:45 UTC
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Well, who's to say there isn't more of a link between the Sansha and the Jovians, even?

It's a possibility, at the very least.



jove dont seem to be the slave people or nore the sanshas seem to use the same technology as them. If you remeber the old picture of that probe sended into that wh. they were using empire ships too like moros, chimeras, whyverns and avatars. I would belive that if they would be working together the joves would drop a bit extra tech into there armys

found the picture
http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2010/06/sanshajove-title.jpg

Yeah, I remember that- I'm just saying that they aren't necessarily enemies- people think that sansha is occupying Jove space, but maybe they're neutral- they have neutral standings, at least Big smile

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#29 - 2013-12-03 05:17:09 UTC
Mysteries are great; plenty of fun to solve, but maybe CCP needs to give us a couple new clues.
Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-12-03 19:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jove Death
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Mysteries are great; plenty of fun to solve, but maybe CCP needs to give us a couple new clues.


Ok here's one


If you look at every single station in Jove space all the stations are the same. None have ever been upgraded since the Jove blew those Gates up. We also have the fact that the Jove can use a variety of covert ships that cannot be detected by the concord Map browser.

Hell we can even see CCP mucking about in Polaris

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#31 - 2013-12-04 02:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Another thing to remember, the Jove have two main bloodlines. Statics, and Modifiers. Modifiers are said to be more prone to the Jovian Disease than Statics..

Also, Prosper Vault has been resecured by CONCORD, supposedly. And nothing of importance taken by Nation..

From The Haakainen Musings;
Quote:
Task Force Ishaeka issued a report months later stating that the station had since been re-secured, that nothing of value was removed, and the Nations objectives were not met.


What you have to remember is the Jove are divided into factions, the Unsullied might certainly wish to advance the cause of Sansha's Nation.

The Existentialists are firmly sided with the Enheduanni..

The Jove have been acquiring wealth for millenia. This wealth is probably directed toward those Empire organizations that have a similar outlook. For instance, the Puritans, Modifiers, are likely the source of a large portion of the anonymous backing of the Sister's of Eve...

Oh, and those pop ups are found at The Mirror, where Lianda Burreau "burned like Seylinn"..

Another thing of note, the Stasis People are Statics... It is the Modifiers who avoid the Construct. It is the Modifiers who became the focus of a manhunt by CONCORD in the Admiral Ouriya incident...

The Jove are far from united.. Long ago we asked for a more indepth history of the Jove.. I think we have it in the ancients, if we can piece it together.. They were most probably Jovian factions, all of them...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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