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Which is better? Incursions or FW?

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Talia Valta
ValtaTeleVisuals
#1 - 2013-12-02 12:12:54 UTC
Hi all,

I'm looking into doing Incursions or Faction Warfare.

Which in your experience/opinion is the better of the two?

I understand that FW is limited to Faction Space, and that your a target in hi sec, if your wardec'd or not.

I also understand that Incursions can be incredibly hard if your not prepared.

But which is better?

I plan on doing Solo Incursions sites, Scout and Assault level, or maybe join a fleet, if I were to choose Incursions.

The Plan for FW is to work in and around the lesser Contested systems until my experience of FW and PVP has increased.

Thanks in advance.

T.

Angeline McNope
Imaginary Rats.
#2 - 2013-12-02 12:25:13 UTC
the only way you can 'solo' VG and assault sites is by multiboxing. You NEED a fleet to even get a payout.

FW income is very market-dependend, but can be done solo.

All depends on your skills, and what level of PvP you prefer
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-12-02 13:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
define 'better'. if you want ISK, then trade will easily beat both incursions and FW. if you want fun, then the question is for you to answer as nobody knows your preferences better than yourself.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-12-02 14:19:57 UTC
Faction Warfare is much easier on the solo-ish player. You can fleet up when you want and pvp, or not. Same for the PVE. FW isk making is very "farmy" to me and I don't much care for it (good isk, but omg boring and tedious. But again, the main draw of FW is that you can do things when you want to.

Incursions are ALL about the team and pretty much all "pve". Sometimes it's easy to get into an incursion fleet, sometimes you wait. Sometimes (depending on the community and the FC) you don't get in at all if your ship isn't "blingy" enough (or uses missiles lol). It's gnerally a bad idea to just hop out of an incursion fleet mid site, incursions require attention and cooperation. I only do incursions when i know I won't be interrupted by "real life".

I much prefer incursions, but they aren't for everyone.
Dextrome Thorphan
#5 - 2013-12-02 14:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dextrome Thorphan
Incursions kind of make me go crazy, you need to stay focussed (in case you need to broadcast for shields or armor) but all u ever do is target the next tag and press F1 and you can't just get into it whenever you feel like it, you need a fleet and available sites...

I prefer anomalies for easy solo ISK grinding. I think FW pve will probably earn you more, but it's also more effort than just running anomalies nonstop.
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#6 - 2013-12-02 14:38:06 UTC
I have done both, and I would go with FW. Incursions require 100% concentration for several hours at time, and the payout isn't that great. FW you can multibox and you can control your own time.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2013-12-02 14:51:40 UTC
good incursion fleets require a billion isk ship at the low-end, require traveling to incursion sites, and coordinating with the rest of the fleet. The payout once a fleet is running is pretty steady, but it requires dedicated a decent chunk of time to do anything.

FW is much more varied. You can play effectively in much smaller chunks of time, there's more things to do, and you aren't on someone else's schedule. SP and isk requirements are practically nothing, but getting your payments is contingent on converting LP into items and then isk.

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Never forget.

l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#8 - 2013-12-02 16:02:11 UTC
Hi all,

I'm looking into eating Apples or Bananas.

Which in your experience/opinion is the better of the two?

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Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#9 - 2013-12-02 21:49:33 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking into eating Apples or Bananas.

Which in your experience/opinion is the better of the two?


Apples.
Chi Garu
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-03 03:12:00 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking into eating Apples or Bananas.

Which in your experience/opinion is the better of the two?


Apples.
Bluestone
Kinship
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-12-03 09:26:40 UTC
Chi Garu wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking into eating Apples or Bananas.

Which in your experience/opinion is the better of the two?


Apples.



Both together at the same time
Dirk Gentry
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#12 - 2013-12-03 10:12:14 UTC
Bluestone wrote:
Chi Garu wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking into eating Apples or Bananas.

Which in your experience/opinion is the better of the two?


Apples.



Both together at the same time


Giggity..
elise densi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-12-03 11:54:41 UTC
incurtions if u like grinding and only decent isk is HQ sites req 40+ persons
fw if u want action involved to it but req more time with marketing etc

incomefor Hq is 31.5 mil isk per site
and 7000 lp witch goes fo 1100-1300 isk per lp
so 150-180 mil /h for incs
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-12-03 13:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
l0rd carlos wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking into eating Apples or Bananas.

Which in your experience/opinion is the better of the two?



Apples.
Great post.

Seriously: You need a lot of experience for fw. Income is (if you do everything right) around maybe 250mil/h or even more at good tier.
It will take a lot of time until you know the most important stuff. Plus it will give you a lot knowlegde about market manipulations :D


BUT(T): FW = PVP.
INCURSIONS = HARDCORE CAREBEARING.
So decide between apples and bananas.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

GreenSeed
#15 - 2013-12-03 13:55:02 UTC
you are comparing two different things without defining what is "better".

more fun? FW
you can switch from farming mode to fun mode really easily without hurting your bottom line. with incursions you are damned to a life of mindless pew pew.

more money? FW
unless you are spamming HQ sites, VG incursions are just a bit better than lvl4s. with the added perk of no docking, no looting, salvaging, reprocessing, etc, etc.

less risk considering the investment? FW
people insist on "oh but hsec incursions are safe! nerf! nerf! nerf!" when you can get more money in FW with a 4 stab moa... and that's not safe, at all.

less risk in general?, if by risk you mean any kind of interaction with any other player trying to ruin your fun. then incursions.
besides a contest, no one can affect your gameplay, which can be considered a plus... but, besides contesting you cant really affect anyone else's gameplay... so bleh.

less hassle? FW
with incursions you will be forced to travel every time some HQ fc trows a fit. which can be around 2 times a day. on FW, if your station gets taken, Jump clone to a new one.

the amount of money you can make in FW doing 2 - 3 hrs of button orbiting with alts while you spam lvl4 with a main, is ridiculous. and if you happen to be east euro or Aussie, you can autopilot trough the warzone...
Ginger Barbarella
#16 - 2013-12-03 15:55:44 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
define 'better'. if you want ISK, then trade will easily beat both incursions and FW. if you want fun, then the question is for you to answer as nobody knows your preferences better than yourself.


This. I had a big long diatribe written up to the OP then just decided "screw it"... I read your post and it said everything I was gonna post, but you were being nice about it. P

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#17 - 2013-12-05 08:54:09 UTC
5 lvl 4 fw missions at tier 4 = raven navy issue = 330 mil = 1-2 hours of game time.

Granted thats for caldari and at tier 4 , so there are some variables to isk/h ..but i still believe fw is very good for making isk imo much better then incursions if u know how to . But ifu join fw just for isk il probably shoot you every chance i get :) hf

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#18 - 2013-12-05 09:29:18 UTC
Incursion runners are much more fun to gank, with much nicer loot drops. Also, be sure to dec their corps- they hate that!

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-12-06 00:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Starbuck05 wrote:
5 lvl 4 fw missions at tier 4 = raven navy issue = 330 mil = 1-2 hours of game time.

Granted thats for caldari and at tier 4 , so there are some variables to isk/h ..but i still believe fw is very good for making isk imo much better then incursions if u know how to . But ifu join fw just for isk il probably shoot you every chance i get :) hf


hmm thats the same amount u do with incursions + concord lp (dependent on hq spawns (100M to 240M isk per hour) )
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#20 - 2013-12-06 14:37:07 UTC
Except in Incursions you have to have an expensive BS to run the sites. In Caldari FW, you only need a Stealth Bomber to run the missions.
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