Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Power creep implies a shift toward, this is an existing mechanic and is viable. so no power creep.

As Garvin, any other ship's ewar bonus can beat a vindi. The only time a vindi's webs are in effect are a very close range zone. This requires pilot skill to achieve, so you problem probably is not that the vindi bonus is overpowered, but rather you are flying against better pilots.

My definition of power creep, is a cocky dev getting more and more brazen with the swings of his nerf bat.

One of the main ways power creep happens is that something overpowered is introduced and then everything else is brought up with it instead of nerfing it.




This is a joke isn't it?

If we let CCP do what they do without the communities opinions we'd have had expansions worse than Incarna. Seriously, CCP is 'decent' at what they do, but their best work is when the get a lot of community feedback. There are hundreds of examples of this.

Any ships can be op with enough logis in the fleet.

Like a week ago we had 20x Vindicators in our fleet. We had like 6-8 Logistics and several carriers as backup.

most arguments for Vindi opness are provided by Suddenly Spaceships ... "not op , but we are using them in groups of 20 ..."

Yeah whatever xddd

They are op, but they can stay that way just buff other pirate factions to this level aka BE AS GOOD AS THAT.

Because that is certainly joke to say other battleships are at same power level (maybe machariel ... but thats it)

And as we ARE using them(not just undocking them on stations for quick ganks), we do KINDA have an understanding of how they work. Our Vindi's aren't cheap. Isk or SP. They require ALOT of both. We are VERY selective about when we use them. Why? Cause if we're not, we'll lose them. 100% Guarantee. The Vindi is by no means an 'I win' button. In it's role, it is a very, very formidable opponent. Anywhere outside of that role, it's an expensive paper weight, at best. It's horrid lock range, limited sphere of influence, and lack of mobility are some pretty serious draw backs. On top of that, blasters are pretty cap hungry(not as much as lasers granted) as are MWD's, both of which it relies on.



Regardless of however many VIndicators we may or many not be able to field, the ship is not OP. In it's role, it's really good. But that role is limited. Using it outside that role is asking to lose it. And as has been stated so many times before, they are not hard to counter either. Avoid point blank range, use damps or ECM, and neut them.


Claiming a ship is OP because it's doing what it's designed to do in the role it's designed to do it in, at the range it's designed to be most effective from, with little thought or effort put into how to counter it....... Nerf Orca Pls!

Seems like every single change in EvE got some people who support it and some that are against it.

Lets see what they got to replace that bonus ... who knows what it may be ... THEN complain if it will lose too much of its power.

For me just give same amount of power to Nightmare in PvP (yeah dont sell me bullshit its good ... its PVE toll now).
Same for Rattle.
Bhaal could also be changed slightly to be actually Laser/Neut platform with webs not just Neut + webs. Sorry we don't want better geddon but something unique. Don't know exactly how to make sure lasers are VALID option on this hull ... but DEVs sure can work something out.

I just can't wait to see changes to pirate ships. Personally i don't care much about serpentis lineup (buffed or not) ... big hopes for Sansha to be at last powerhouse like Angel Cartel or Serpentis.

Because when you think DD is not op ... then you see Succubus ... and you realize what it means to be NOT OP. Same with phantasm.

Thats what im talking about.

Fking nightmare fleets would be AWESOME not just painted megas known as Vindis ;)).
And i think suddenly spaceship members would want to have shiny VIABLE Nightmare fleet aswell.

All the people saying wait and see before complaining are right, that's what we should do.

But then again, we have done that before and still had a change reamed down our throats.. Change to Rapid Lights anyone ? They informed us 2 weeks before, got about 85+% negative response, didn't have any dialogue with the community, only responded in the thread about it to blow people off.

No, it's better to be heard NOW, before it's too late. Cause you can't trust CCP to listen to the feedback they ask for.

Infact in the RLML thread, there was not one post by a Dev after they asked everyone for their feedback at Eve Vegas.. Not a single one.. And, oh ya, the change was done by CCP Rise also.

Yes, ask us how well that worked out for RHMLs (no dev feedback at all) and RLMLs (radical changes announced the weekend prior to Rubicon being released, and finalized the following Monday). Gripe now or you're screwed.

Exactly.
Too bad, most people think OMG VINDI OP and don't take the time to think out how to disable one.

FFS, if they can't think how to disable a Vindi, then they shouldn't be playing this game anyways.