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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#341 - 2011-11-21 12:31:13 UTC
The mechanic to declare a war is easy .... in a SANDBOX it should be as easy, to say: "NO, I do not want your war!"

This is SANDBOX ... if I don't want a war .. I realy do NOT want it in MY SANDBOX.

You want wardec in YOUR sandbox? Go and find other who like it too!

Change mechanig @CCP ... wars MUST be agreed by both sides!
Fixes every damn problem you have with "dec shield", "ally/corp hopping" and whatever.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#342 - 2011-11-21 12:37:59 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
I'm guilty of complaining about this as much as most other posters here.

The GM, however, is correct in what he has said.

I have sat back and have tried to come-up with a proper, functional solution to this problem. One that does not require policing by CCP. I am coming-up blank, I have no solution, no ideas which could be implemented in code.

Good grief, the mechanics of it are a nightmare! Sit back and try it, I dare you. Anyone out there with a viable, functional solution that can be coded ?

It's so easy for us to complain, it's way more difficult to find a working solution though. The current situation is horrible, but what to do ? Policing it actively with GM's is not a good answer, it apparently never worked properly anyway.

In the meantime I predict that suicide ganking will be on the increase, mainly due to the wardec mechanics not functioning.

Peace out.


I have a solution for you Shut down Wardecing Mechanic... If people want to pvp they can do it in Low sec and Null. Stop Suicide ganking in highsec by taking away the abillity to fire on other players.
Fixing this might get EvE subscription base up to 1 million subs. And that to me Is personaly worth getting rid of most of the griefers. They are in the way of progress. Anarchists, psychopaths and the criminaly insane people have alaways been taken care of in IRL. If we had let Our world function like EvE you would not be able to step out your front door without a shootgun posse having your back. Its Unrealistic that EvE is not Policed more, A society can't function If you let the sociopaths run Free. It crumbles into chaos and despair. In EvE that translates to declining Subscriptions as most people dont like to get stomped on.
Now facts are clear we cant keep going like this or the game will die. Hopefully CCP undestand this and puts in mechanics that get ridd of the "Problem People" If there are no easy targets they will quit and I dare say that for each griefer gone 4 carebares will take his place... 4:1 ratio its totaly worth pushing every last one of them out of the game... They are in the way of progress, they are not contributing to the betterment of the game, They have to go, Every last one of the litte griefer cockroaches have to be shown the Exit door.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#343 - 2011-11-21 12:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Just as addition

There are many post about "null/low is empty" ... there ARE enough people out there who want to PvP.
Low is though as area for small groups and rookies to get food into PvP. Same for Faction Warfare and Wormholes.

So if people realy want to PvP there is absolut NO need for a wardec mechanic at all! There is enough space where they can kill each other!

Wardec is used for just one reason: GRIEFING, criminal actions

As long as there is no propper way to punish this criminals ingame -> disable one sided wardec !
Wardec must be agreeed by BOTH sides!


PS: sorry, forgot about Red vis Blue ... make them Factions ;)

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#344 - 2011-11-21 12:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Khanh'rhh wrote:
What Asuri said.

I copped my first wardec 3 weeks into the game. I was pretty excited and was ready for whatever it threw at me, even if this means losing hilariously. The rest of the corp decided the wardeccers were "greifers" - didn't log in for a week and ordered everyone to stay docked at all times. They greifed themselves, by letting their inability to play the game outside of their narrow field of interest cloud their activity.

I left the corp the next day and joined up with the wardeccers. Hell, I even gave them some useful intel :P


And EvE probably lost most of the Subs from your former corp mates who rage quit. This Behavior lost CCP money.. Less money means Less development of the game.. That Hurts my play time.. So indirectly you Effected my game experience with your reckless Usless Behavior. Im sorry but What you griefers always fail to understand is that what you do is Hurting the subscription base of the game. I want EvE to last and if we have to put in a totaly secure Highsec game mechanic so be it. Because the Abuse by people like yourself and your friends will continue to decline EvEs subscription numbers...

PS who THE F.U.C.K CARES if "there inability to play the game outside of ther narrow field of interest cloud their activity" Now they are probably all Unsubed to the game, What the hell did that accomplish MORON? less subs = BAD FOR THE FUTURE OF THE GAME, do you want to wreck EvE? is that the goal Here??
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#345 - 2011-11-21 12:50:20 UTC
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
I'm guilty of complaining about this as much as most other posters here.

The GM, however, is correct in what he has said.

I have sat back and have tried to come-up with a proper, functional solution to this problem. One that does not require policing by CCP. I am coming-up blank, I have no solution, no ideas which could be implemented in code.

Good grief, the mechanics of it are a nightmare! Sit back and try it, I dare you. Anyone out there with a viable, functional solution that can be coded ?

It's so easy for us to complain, it's way more difficult to find a working solution though. The current situation is horrible, but what to do ? Policing it actively with GM's is not a good answer, it apparently never worked properly anyway.

In the meantime I predict that suicide ganking will be on the increase, mainly due to the wardec mechanics not functioning.

Peace out.


I have a solution for you Shut down Wardecing Mechanic... If people want to pvp they can do it in Low sec and Null. Stop Suicide ganking in highsec by taking away the abillity to fire on other players.
Fixing this might get EvE subscription base up to 1 million subs. And that to me Is personaly worth getting rid of most of the griefers. They are in the way of progress. Anarchists, psychopaths and the criminaly insane people have alaways been taken care of in IRL. If we had let Our world function like EvE you would not be able to step out your front door without a shootgun posse having your back. Its Unrealistic that EvE is not Policed more, A society can't function If you let the sociopaths run Free. It crumbles into chaos and despair. In EvE that translates to declining Subscriptions as most people dont like to get stomped on.
Now facts are clear we cant keep going like this or the game will die. Hopefully CCP undestand this and puts in mechanics that get ridd of the "Problem People" If there are no easy targets they will quit and I dare say that for each griefer gone 4 carebares will take his place... 4:1 ratio its totaly worth pushing every last one of them out of the game... They are in the way of progress, they are not contributing to the betterment of the game, They have to go, Every last one of the litte griefer cockroaches have to be shown the Exit door.

0/10 from the carebear...

Eve is about PvP (Everyone Vs Everyone!!!). The last thing it needs is to turn high sec into a pure PvE world...
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#346 - 2011-11-21 12:52:01 UTC
Fark - double post :(
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#347 - 2011-11-21 12:56:27 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
0/10 from the carebear...

Eve is about PvP (Everyone Vs Everyone!!!). The last thing it needs is to turn high sec into a pure PvE world...

0/10 from wannabe mini rambo

EVE is a game and no game can funktion without fix rouls and some sort of fair-play.

If a mechanic (roule) is broken like wardec ... it must be fixed!

Every aktion must have a propper anti-aktion.
If the aktion for a wardec is "press ONE button and pay some money to CONCORD" ... the anti-aktion must be "press ONE button and pay the same money to CONCORD"!
NOT to the agressor! To CONCORD!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#348 - 2011-11-21 12:59:07 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Fark - double post :(


Yes Highsec needs to get safe I dont personaly like it but I understand that is the only way to go Unless we want to see a steady decline in numbers over the next few years...

If you had a choise?

1 EvE slowly declines over the next 3-5 years
2 EvE Grows over the next 3-5 years

If you want the game to grow it benefits your play time, as more money means more development of the game. If we have to sacrifice highsec and make it a safe heaven for NOOBs to get more subscribers so bee it.. Dont be so narrow minded that you dont undestand this...
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#349 - 2011-11-21 13:01:36 UTC
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
What Asuri said.

I copped my first wardec 3 weeks into the game. I was pretty excited and was ready for whatever it threw at me, even if this means losing hilariously. The rest of the corp decided the wardeccers were "greifers" - didn't log in for a week and ordered everyone to stay docked at all times. They greifed themselves, by letting their inability to play the game outside of their narrow field of interest cloud their activity.

I left the corp the next day and joined up with the wardeccers. Hell, I even gave them some useful intel :P


And EvE probably lost most of the Subs from your former corp mates who rage quit. This Behavior lost CCP money.. Less money means Less development of the game.. That Hurts my play time.. So indirectly you Effected my game experience with your reckless Usless Behavior. Im sorry but What you griefers always fail to understand is that what you do is Hurting the subscription base of the game. I want EvE to last and if we have to put in a totaly secure Highsec game mechanic so be it. Because the Abuse by people like yourself and your friends will continue to decline EvEs subscription numbers...

PS who THE F.U.C.K CARES if "there inability to play the game outside of ther narrow field of interest cloud their activity" Now they are probably all Unsubed to the game, What the hell did that accomplish MORON? less subs = BAD FOR THE FUTURE OF THE GAME, do you want to wreck EvE? is that the goal Here??


From my point of view, you are killing the game. 1 Million subs != good game. Eve used to be a cold, harsh nitch game. Now it's a bunch of bile spewing, profanity filter evading, nitwits. Just what Eve needs more of.
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#350 - 2011-11-21 13:09:22 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
Things and stuff


Look, another person that doesn't know what a "sandbox" game is.

If you want to be around people that play the game you're playing in the same way you play it, find a theme park MMO. I think you would be much happier.


Dude you are so cluless its sad.. People dont wardec me ****** because I have to much Experince and to mauch SP after years of playing... I dont get Scamed because lets face its easy to avoid...

But Year after year after Year I see Noobs quiting this game after getting stomped on. Some I can save some I cant safe.. Now those are Subscribers that we as a Comunity lost... That is money that CCP could have had to develop This game I like to play... ******* people over that can defend themselfs is fun and show that you have some skills. Harrassing 2-3 week old NOOBS is just lame, and it sabotages MUCH more then some of you will ever understand. And I personaly think its the main reason whey EvEs subsriction base has stagnated because it the last 2 years the Wardecing has become a real problem in highsec...

Now If you spend your time getting people to Unsubscribe to EvE because of what you do to them, You are not just hurting them you are Messing with the rest of us also, and your are shooting yourself in the foot.. And I personaly think you need to go..
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#351 - 2011-11-21 13:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium
The solution is a counter bribe system, with minimum and maximum bribes that are made by each side of the "war", before it starts.

Wardeccer makes bribe, 24hr countdown begins.
Target makes counterbribe, 24hr countdown resets and pauses.
Wardeccer can either make a counter bribe which exceeds are equals the last counter bribe, restarting the 24hr countdown, up to the max, or find someone poorer.
If counterbribe, then another counterbribe from the target, equal or greater up to the max, reseting and pausing the countdown. Eventually this will be bribe counter bribe at the max, until someone exhausts their wallet.

The problem with wardecs was always that there was no way to defend, you were in a war in 24hrs whether you were ready or not. At least this way people can get ready, or possibly drive off the would be attacker with their deep corp wallet.

This is also an awesome isk sink, since all the bribe money is going down the CONCORD drain.

Edit: Though I imagine this suggestion will get ignored. This thread has become an ethical argument, and has little to do with game mechanics beyond them being a circumstance and backdrop. So I might as well sit back and see whose daddy can beat up whose.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#352 - 2011-11-21 13:15:32 UTC
Danks wrote:
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
What Asuri said.

I copped my first wardec 3 weeks into the game. I was pretty excited and was ready for whatever it threw at me, even if this means losing hilariously. The rest of the corp decided the wardeccers were "greifers" - didn't log in for a week and ordered everyone to stay docked at all times. They greifed themselves, by letting their inability to play the game outside of their narrow field of interest cloud their activity.

I left the corp the next day and joined up with the wardeccers. Hell, I even gave them some useful intel :P


And EvE probably lost most of the Subs from your former corp mates who rage quit. This Behavior lost CCP money.. Less money means Less development of the game.. That Hurts my play time.. So indirectly you Effected my game experience with your reckless Usless Behavior. Im sorry but What you griefers always fail to understand is that what you do is Hurting the subscription base of the game. I want EvE to last and if we have to put in a totaly secure Highsec game mechanic so be it. Because the Abuse by people like yourself and your friends will continue to decline EvEs subscription numbers...

PS who THE F.U.C.K CARES if "there inability to play the game outside of ther narrow field of interest cloud their activity" Now they are probably all Unsubed to the game, What the hell did that accomplish MORON? less subs = BAD FOR THE FUTURE OF THE GAME, do you want to wreck EvE? is that the goal Here??


From my point of view, you are killing the game. 1 Million subs != good game. Eve used to be a cold, harsh nitch game. Now it's a bunch of bile spewing, profanity filter evading, nitwits. Just what Eve needs more of.



More subscribers less chans the game shuts down... Facts are CCP has laid of alot of people, EvE subsricptions have stagnated or are actually declining. What results do you think this will have on the game? or are you so clueless you dont undestand the ramifications of your actions? Getting Noobs to quit after constant harrassment and griefing is NOT good for anyone and it hurts the GAME...
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#353 - 2011-11-21 13:22:47 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
The solution is a counter bribe system, with minimum and maximum bribes that are made by each side of the "war", before it starts.

Wardeccer makes bribe, 24hr countdown begins.
Target makes counterbribe, 24hr countdown resets and pauses.
Wardeccer can either make a counter bribe which exceeds are equals the last counter bribe, restarting the 24hr countdown, up to the max, or find someone poorer.
If counterbribe, then another counterbribe from the target, equal or greater up to the max, reseting and pausing the countdown. Eventually this will be bribe counter bribe at the max, until someone exhausts their wallet.

The problem with wardecs was always that there was no way to defend, you were in a war in 24hrs whether you were ready or not. At least this way people can get ready, or possibly drive off the would be attacker with their deep corp wallet.

This is also an awesome isk sink, since all the bribe money is going down the CONCORD drain.


OR we go to low sec and fight fair fights instead. or why not go to Null?? instead of acting like a Coward? I know some of you get your kicks from ******* people over. And I have always let it go in the past. But after spending the last 2 years ( was in low and null sec before) in highsec it has become very clear that some of you are ******* this game up. Either its because your are clueless about what you are doing. Or its actually a planed action to wreck EvE... either way it needs to stop..
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#354 - 2011-11-21 13:26:40 UTC
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
The solution is a counter bribe system, with minimum and maximum bribes that are made by each side of the "war", before it starts.

Wardeccer makes bribe, 24hr countdown begins.
Target makes counterbribe, 24hr countdown resets and pauses.
Wardeccer can either make a counter bribe which exceeds are equals the last counter bribe, restarting the 24hr countdown, up to the max, or find someone poorer.
If counterbribe, then another counterbribe from the target, equal or greater up to the max, reseting and pausing the countdown. Eventually this will be bribe counter bribe at the max, until someone exhausts their wallet.

The problem with wardecs was always that there was no way to defend, you were in a war in 24hrs whether you were ready or not. At least this way people can get ready, or possibly drive off the would be attacker with their deep corp wallet.

This is also an awesome isk sink, since all the bribe money is going down the CONCORD drain.


OR we go to low sec and fight fair fights instead. or why not go to Null?? instead of acting like a Coward? I know some of you get your kicks from ******* people over. And I have always let it go in the past. But after spending the last 2 years ( was in low and null sec before) in highsec it has become very clear that some of you are ******* this game up. Either its because your are clueless about what you are doing. Or its actually a planed action to wreck EvE... either way it needs to stop..


Yes, I imagine a carebear would hate this idea because it doesn't involve eliminating wardecs completely. I imagine "pvp"ers will hate it because it forces them to face an industrial corps strength, which is it's wallet.

You however haven't offered anything but an appeal to morality and an ad hominem to support your counter argument. And your frustration is apparent. Maybe you should bow out of the discussion until you have regained your self control.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#355 - 2011-11-21 13:30:30 UTC
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
The solution is a counter bribe system, with minimum and maximum bribes that are made by each side of the "war", before it starts.

Wardeccer makes bribe, 24hr countdown begins.
Target makes counterbribe, 24hr countdown resets and pauses.
Wardeccer can either make a counter bribe which exceeds are equals the last counter bribe, restarting the 24hr countdown, up to the max, or find someone poorer.
If counterbribe, then another counterbribe from the target, equal or greater up to the max, reseting and pausing the countdown. Eventually this will be bribe counter bribe at the max, until someone exhausts their wallet.

The problem with wardecs was always that there was no way to defend, you were in a war in 24hrs whether you were ready or not. At least this way people can get ready, or possibly drive off the would be attacker with their deep corp wallet.

This is also an awesome isk sink, since all the bribe money is going down the CONCORD drain.


OR we go to low sec and fight fair fights instead. or why not go to Null?? instead of acting like a Coward? I know some of you get your kicks from ******* people over. And I have always let it go in the past. But after spending the last 2 years ( was in low and null sec before) in highsec it has become very clear that some of you are ******* this game up. Either its because your are clueless about what you are doing. Or its actually a planed action to wreck EvE... either way it needs to stop..


My actions? I'm only here because I forgot to unsub and got billed. Stop assuming anyone who disagrees with you actually participates in these actions you think are bad.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#356 - 2011-11-21 14:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
This thread went really deep until someone necro'ed it.

Null sec real PVPers "Lulz at gankbears"
Low sec real PVPers "Gief moar tears!"
Worm hole people, "Dude? Wait. What?"
High sec bears "Yippie!"

The only ones sad about this are griefers and mercs. Privateers won't even go to WHs or low sec. Hmm ...

*** This looks like a great idea for forcing griefbears out into real PVP.

This is definitely a good move by CCP
More happy carebears
More happy PVPers
More $$$

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#357 - 2011-11-22 02:57:54 UTC
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
The solution is a counter bribe system, with minimum and maximum bribes that are made by each side of the "war", before it starts.

Wardeccer makes bribe, 24hr countdown begins.
Target makes counterbribe, 24hr countdown resets and pauses.
Wardeccer can either make a counter bribe which exceeds are equals the last counter bribe, restarting the 24hr countdown, up to the max, or find someone poorer.
If counterbribe, then another counterbribe from the target, equal or greater up to the max, reseting and pausing the countdown. Eventually this will be bribe counter bribe at the max, until someone exhausts their wallet.

The problem with wardecs was always that there was no way to defend, you were in a war in 24hrs whether you were ready or not. At least this way people can get ready, or possibly drive off the would be attacker with their deep corp wallet.

This is also an awesome isk sink, since all the bribe money is going down the CONCORD drain.


OR we go to low sec and fight fair fights instead. or why not go to Null?? instead of acting like a Coward? I know some of you get your kicks from ******* people over. And I have always let it go in the past. But after spending the last 2 years ( was in low and null sec before) in highsec it has become very clear that some of you are ******* this game up. Either its because your are clueless about what you are doing. Or its actually a planed action to wreck EvE... either way it needs to stop..

Just stop posting now Mr Carebear. You are showing your lack on understanding of Eve. What makes you think you get anything close to a fair fight in low sec?
When I created my first character and we got the first war dec since I had joined, I WANTED to undock and fight. The issue was the corp wasn't very experienced and lacked organisation to fight back. A few months later, we were in an alliance and get a war dec from a stronger war dec. The corp I was in and one other fought (and lost), whilst others left the alliance. The net result though is that the main corp in the attacking alliance was impressed that they gave some of our main fighters ships, got to know them and my corp joined their alliance.
A number of months later, the corps merged and went to null sec to be part of Green Alliance (Atlas renteres) and PvP etc... I lost contact with them and forged my own path (alt is now is CEO of a corp and is teaching noobs to PvP and we are all learning more about griefing etc...) THIS is how the sandbox should work. Not like you hiding in station crying...
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#358 - 2011-11-22 03:14:56 UTC
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
OR we go to low sec and fight fair fights instead. or why not go to Null?? instead of acting like a Coward? I know some of you get your kicks from ******* people over. And I have always let it go in the past. But after spending the last 2 years ( was in low and null sec before) in highsec it has become very clear that some of you are ******* this game up. Either its because your are clueless about what you are doing. Or its actually a planed action to wreck EvE... either way it needs to stop..

I really like the rationale that when a pvper chooses to pursue his craft in high-sec, it's because of cowardice. But when a carebear (ahem, "industrialist") chooses to pursue his craft in high-sec, it's a matter of playstyle preference. Eh, Mr. Alt McShiptoaster?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#359 - 2011-11-22 03:21:44 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Ambassadeur Ur-Shulgi wrote:
OR we go to low sec and fight fair fights instead. or why not go to Null?? instead of acting like a Coward? I know some of you get your kicks from ******* people over. And I have always let it go in the past. But after spending the last 2 years ( was in low and null sec before) in highsec it has become very clear that some of you are ******* this game up. Either its because your are clueless about what you are doing. Or its actually a planed action to wreck EvE... either way it needs to stop..

I really like the rationale that when a pvper chooses to pursue his craft in high-sec, it's because of cowardice. But when a carebear (ahem, "industrialist") chooses to pursue his craft in high-sec, it's a matter of playstyle preference. Eh, Mr. Alt McShiptoaster?

The argument is that either are pursuing their craft in highsec due to cowardice or either are pursuing their craft in highsec due to playstyle preference.

I prefer the latter. Both are valid styles of play. The industrialists will just have to accept that they're going to get blown up once in awhile.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#360 - 2011-11-22 03:27:33 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
The industrialists will just have to accept that they're going to get blown up once in awhile.

Well they don't, and that's why we get threads like this.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted