Player Features and Ideas Discussion

HAM's and HML's are not solo weapons either, and that's the problem we have; no utility missile system that's capable of engaging a wide range of targets. With turrets as long as you are at the proper range and make an effort to keep your angular velocity low you will be doing effective and instant dps against all targets. Drones have an even wider envelope of engagement, bring more to fleets with drone assist and spider tanking tactics, are flexible enough that they can increase their dps against larger ships, or carry ewar drones to break lock when things are not going your way. I'm not saying drones or turrets are perfect weapons either but they are far more versatile and effective than medium missiles in their current state.

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Is there some Null Blob Doctrine for their mega fleet battles that makes missiles OP?

Is that the problem? When you get 300 Ravens/Carcals together then that is more powerful than 300 Megathrons/Vexors?

Yeah, lets see how that works out, they would lose some half of their fleet every ammo cycle.

Well, you can smartbomb them and reduce the dps of an entire missile fleet to 0 with a single ship.

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I found an exploit to get around the 40 second reload timer!

Here is what you do:

1. Buy a Caracal.

2. Load it full of RLML launchers.

3. Place ammo in the launchers - all 18 of them.

4. Undock.

5. Find somebody to PVP with.

6. Before pressing F1, overload all your RLML

7. Now open fire.

8. You should find, if you are lucky, that your RLML have been completely burnt out before the last missile fires.

9. This avoids you having to wait 40 seconds for the reload.

10. I hope this helps.

11. Please can we have both this and the old RLML back please.

I was almost waiting for this one, and I actually already answer it.

First, HAM are better than pulse for example : I know from experience a frigate can orbit a solo kiting Omen fast enough to only care for the drones, drones you can kill when Omen is tackled. HAM wouldn't have this problem : an AB frigate would not catch you, and a MWD one will die to your HAM before she kills you.

HAM Caracal with 3 BCS do 80dps to a non AB Incursus, 150 if webed. That's a lot for a frigate.

Second, Caldari Navy cruisers have high damage application or lots of mid slots for whatever you need, and they are stupidly fast so they make very effective solo kiters.

And finaly, caldari have a whole line of turret ships ; I know hybrid turrets are kind of dirty when you use missiles, but war is a dirty thing anyway.

In the interest of science, I'm trying another experiment with RLMLs. Pray for me...

For missions and ratting, you do have other choices (since NPCs don't pose the same threat as in PvP). HML would probably be my recommendation, just for the range.

NO,no,no. Ham range is fine. id say it needs a little bit more range and a adjustment so that anything moving faster than 400m/s will recieve more than 20% of the missiles damage.

1. They are rockets. They are smaller than light missiles have considerably less range. The explosive radius is fine, its smaller than lights.

2. Light missile and rocket dps is already ****** compared to other frig sized weapons. Also lights have the range of small beams and rails with lr ammo.

3. ? small-large? these are medium cruiser missiles.

The real problem is all missiles above lights.
My suggestion:

1. For rapid launcher: Make a skill called....maybe idk [Ordnance specialist (ization)], or [Ordnance handling].
Skill Trait

-15% bonus to Rapid Light and Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher reload time per level.
That means at level IV Rapid launchers would have a reload time of 16 seconds and Level V would be 10 seconds. Give the skill a decent multiplier so that lvl IV takes 4-5 days to train and lvl V takes 20 days. The vast majority will only train lvl IV so in general most rapid launcher will have longer reloads than regular launchers.

2.
A. Give Heavy Missiles a 90% Un-nerf. Reduce that -20% damage nerf you did a few years ago to -10%( meaning increase damage by 10%) . Give it a higher velocity and a lower flight time so that range stays the same.

B. Reduce Heavy Missile Explosion radius to that of medium turrets sig radius, after all heavies are medium cruiser weapons, and they should be able to do damage to anything other than bc's and bs's, primarily cruisers at full damage. Increase explosive velocity so that anything moving faster than 300-400 m/s can actually be damaged. Another cruiser or battleship for that matter should not simply be able to activate an afterburner and from then on only receive 20 percent of incoming damage.

IMO, the whole explosive velocity thing is flawed and unrealistic in its current form, this coming from an aerospace engineering student.

If your going to include explosion velocity as a part of damage application you also should include the missiles velocity as a factor. Basically, it should be missile velocity+explosion velocity. Some guy doing 3km/sec away from you or at an angle should be as difficult should be as difficult to kill with missiles as it would be with turrets so you cant say its op. This buff should allow heavies to once again be effective in combat whilst preventing them from being an I win button.

As it stands now, t1 launchers and missiles are utterly useless and do not output comparable dps as other medium turrets of the same class( using faction ammo or otherwise). Even with the 3 BCU's that missile ships usually have. You only get real dps from using t2 hams and heavy missile launchers. T2 high damage missiles can only effectively hit battle cruisers (because of the massive explosion penalty, which is bullshit considering no other t2 ammo increases turret sig radius) and above. Given that fact i think ccp should actually give both hams and heavies a 15% damage increase.


Also missiles should be able to turn a bit more, so either increase agility or make a new skill that does so. Maybe 5% per level.