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Scanning previosuly unscannable ships

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#1 - 2011-11-20 20:12:49 UTC
So, after CCP changed the scanning mechanic, it is no longer possible to fit your ship as unscannable by boosting your sensorstrenght above your sigradius.

However, I found that ships fitted with high sensorstrenght close/equal to their sigradius is still very very hard to find.

I tried on SISI with a max skilled character (scanning and ship skills), a bonused ship, sisters expanded probe launcher with sisters combat probes, full set of low-grade virtue and a slot 8 PPH-2 implants, and i still struggled quite some time before eventually getting 100% using all 8 probes.

What is peoples experience with this? Can it be done with a "lighter/cheaper" setup, no implants, unbonused ships etc?
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-20 20:49:40 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
So, after CCP changed the scanning mechanic, it is no longer possible to fit your ship as unscannable by boosting your sensorstrenght above your sigradius.

However, I found that ships fitted with high sensorstrenght close/equal to their sigradius is still very very hard to find.

I tried on SISI with a max skilled character (scanning and ship skills), a bonused ship, sisters expanded probe launcher with sisters combat probes, full set of low-grade virtue and a slot 8 PPH-2 implants, and i still struggled quite some time before eventually getting 100% using all 8 probes.

What is peoples experience with this? Can it be done with a "lighter/cheaper" setup, no implants, unbonused ships etc?


No, it can't.

Tried it myself on my maxed skill alt and I it took ages to find a ECCM fitted boosting Loki.

Pretty much same as you. Had to use all 8 probes and I even knew roughly where he was.

They can be found, just really, really bloody difficult.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#3 - 2011-11-21 03:48:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Smiling Menace wrote:


No, it can't.

Tried it myself on my maxed skill alt and I it took ages to find a ECCM fitted boosting Loki.

Pretty much same as you. Had to use all 8 probes and I even knew roughly where he was.

They can be found, just really, really bloody difficult.



Well, the case is that I have been scanned down 3 times the last 2 weeks in my supposedly very hard to scan ship. Once by a Helios, and twice by Rapiers. Rapiers ar unbonused ships, so i just wondered how the hell it can be done. My sig was 150m with a sensorstrength of 160 (checked ingame). I dont use sig-increasing mods or ammo either.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#4 - 2011-11-21 04:25:01 UTC
Just because it was a rapier that landed on you doesn't mean that it was a rapier that probed you out - from what I've experienced I can't narrow down a fully eccmed fit with a maxed prober in bonused ship without Virtues, so I would highly doubt a rapier would be able to do so.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#5 - 2011-11-21 04:31:02 UTC
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
Just because it was a rapier that landed on you doesn't mean that it was a rapier that probed you out - from what I've experienced I can't narrow down a fully eccmed fit with a maxed prober in bonused ship without Virtues, so I would highly doubt a rapier would be able to do so.



heh trust me on this. Four in local, the rapier appearing just seconds after the probes disaapeared from short range scan, with the other 3 combat ships just a few seconds behind.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-21 05:04:13 UTC
Still possible. Just need an alt with maxed skills and Grail set to be sure.

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#7 - 2011-11-21 05:08:29 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Still possible. Just need an alt with maxed skills and Grail set to be sure.



Eh what? Sorry, you completely lost me.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-21 10:20:51 UTC
lrn2bouncesafes.

it should be impossible to get caught in anything smaller than a battleship if youre paying attention.

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#9 - 2011-11-21 10:31:00 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
lrn2bouncesafes.

it should be impossible to get caught in anything smaller than a battleship if youre paying attention.


learn 2 read.

This isnt about getting caught. Its about getting scanned.
Deyo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-21 10:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Deyo
Were you doing missions or exploration sites? People sometimes probe those and bookmark in case someone wanders in. Twisted

D.
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#11 - 2011-11-21 12:15:24 UTC
If you were in an exploration site, they don't need to find you, just the site. They can locate you on D-scan, and toss core probes in that area to find the plex.

For drone users, your drones are easier to probe down than many of the sites are.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#12 - 2011-11-21 14:52:59 UTC
VaMei wrote:
If you were in an exploration site, they don't need to find you, just the site. They can locate you on D-scan, and toss core probes in that area to find the plex.

For drone users, your drones are easier to probe down than many of the sites are.


I was indeed. I saw combat probes on scan, but they could naturally have been used to scan down the site instead of me. Never occured to me at the time Oops
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#13 - 2011-11-21 15:17:24 UTC
Confirming.

Given my profession, I'm sure you can appreciate how much scanning we do. To that end, I even have a Virtue Alt who is far better than Solo here though not perfect. We've tested on a Loki, even knew where the Loki was approximately sitting and couldn't get 100% w/ 8 probes, close, but no cigar. I think it will require a near max-skilled scanner to get your Loki Booster.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-22 02:00:28 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
lrn2bouncesafes.

it should be impossible to get caught in anything smaller than a battleship if youre paying attention.


learn 2 read.

This isnt about getting caught. Its about getting scanned.



well, then yeah, it's possible to probe out any ship.

PS: LOL at being at a site and expecting eccm to help you...

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Hazel Starr
Krypteia Brotherhood
#15 - 2011-11-22 02:40:48 UTC
What will probably have happened is that the Rapier is in fleet with
and on grid with the probing ship...the prober does a fleet warp to
you and cancels their warp so only the Rapier arrives,

-- Haze
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#16 - 2011-11-22 03:20:34 UTC
Hazel Starr wrote:
What will probably have happened is that the Rapier is in fleet with
and on grid with the probing ship...the prober does a fleet warp to
you and cancels their warp so only the Rapier arrives,

-- Haze



That would indeed have been a plausible scenario IF there hadnt been the rapier, and 3 combat ships with 4 in local. Blink
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#17 - 2011-11-22 03:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Jack Miton wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
lrn2bouncesafes.

it should be impossible to get caught in anything smaller than a battleship if youre paying attention.


learn 2 read.

This isnt about getting caught. Its about getting scanned.



well, then yeah, it's possible to probe out any ship.

PS: LOL at being at a site and expecting eccm to help you...


Ahem. Read the OP maybe, before u answer? I know u can scan any ship. The question was if it was possible in a non-bonused ship, without implants etc.

And I have gotten confirmation that ECCM DOES in fact help. Unless you have a very very pro prober with billions in implants, u will not be scanned down. I just had a brainfart not connecting combat probes to cosmic signature scanning, even if I knew u can use them for that with the same results as core probes.

And for the record. I wasnt caught. The rapier decloaked on the spot, which gave me 5 seconds to warp due to his targeting delay. Plenty if you are alligned. As I was dualboxing, my other character sat cloaked 40km away watching what happend.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#18 - 2011-11-22 07:03:44 UTC
Cool story bro. You learned a thing today.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#19 - 2011-11-22 15:16:37 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Cool story bro. You learned a thing today.



Find my lossmail if u can.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-11-22 22:09:09 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
[quote=Jack Miton][quote=Reilly Duvolle]Ahem. Read the OP maybe, before u answer? I know u can scan any ship. The question was if it was possible in a non-bonused ship, without implants etc.


you dont really get it do you...
you were AT A SITE, meaning you can be probed out by any ship with a core probe launcher on it.

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