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CCP continues to ignore the plight of missile ships, such as the phoenix in pvp.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-12-02 11:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Knights Armament
You see I have a dream, the dream is that if CCP cannot balance Caldari to be viable, then they will buff Caldari to the position of master race. I will fly the superior Phoenix into combat to deal twice the damage of the MOROS, and be able to wipe out legions of frigates in the explosive after wave of my citadel torpedoes.

I will travel the stars as the dominant force, slaying groups of inferior beings such as Minmatar, and Gallente with my battlestar like Phoenix.

Think of it like this, Gallente have had time to be overpowered, now let Caldari shine. You will force current Gallente pilots to switch to Caldari training, which means they will have to buy more plex or spend more time paying to play your game in order to compete.

The age of Caldari is now, if you want it to be ccp


One last thing, this would help reduce lag in pvp, overpowered missiles wiping out hordes of ships in the afterwave would remove the blobs from the game, noobs stuck with laser beams, and railguns would be forced to all switch to missiles, eventually removing peasants from our systems.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-12-02 11:08:53 UTC
More Caldari ships in top 20 than Gallente

/ thread

Knights the ships are fine but you're just a bad

hth

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-12-02 11:10:17 UTC
Roime wrote:
More Caldari ships in top 20 than Gallente

/ thread

Knights the ships are fine but you're just a bad

hth



Seems as if I've spotted a MOROS pilot.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#24 - 2013-12-02 11:12:00 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
You see I have a dream, the dream is that if CCP cannot balance Caldari to be viable, then they will buff Caldari to the position of master race. I will fly the superior Phoenix into combat to deal twice the damage of the MOROS, and be able to wipe out legions of frigates in the explosive after wave of my citadel torpedoes.

I will travel the stars as the dominant force, slaying groups of inferior beings such as Minmatar, and Gallente with my battlestar like Phoenix.

Think of it like this, Gallente have had time to be overpowered, now let Caldari shine. You will force current Gallente pilots to switch to Caldari training, which means they will have to buy more plex or spend more time paying to play your game in order to compete.

The age of Caldari is now, if you want it to be ccp

One last thing, this would help reduce lag in pvp, overpowered missiles wiping out hordes of ships in the afterwave would remove the blobs from the game, noobs stuck with laser beams, and railguns would be forced to all switch to missiles, eventually removing peasants from our systems.



So... let me get this straight

In your mind, one race is more powerfully statistically than the others in one playstyle

So your solution

Is to make a different race even more powerful statistically in that playstyle



The flaws in your reasoning are as apparent as the flaws in the logic of your solution

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Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#25 - 2013-12-02 11:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Majindoom Shi
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=300925&find=unread.


/thread
Also thread title is about missiles http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
Weapons systems top 20? /thread
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-12-02 11:27:27 UTC
Majindoom Shi wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=300925&find=unread.


/thread
Also thread title is about missiles http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
Weapons systems top 20? /thread



Rank Weapons Kills
1 250mm Railgun II 2,018
2 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 1,598
3 200mm AutoCannon II 1,597
4 Light Neutron Blaster II 1,498
5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I 1,316
6 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II 1,138
7 Heavy Pulse Laser II 1,067
8 150mm Light AutoCannon II 1,030
9 Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher 903
10 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 827
11 Light Ion Blaster II 794
12 425mm AutoCannon II 758
13 150mm Railgun II 731
14 Small Focused Pulse Laser II 724
15 Heavy Neutron Blaster II 685
16 Mega Pulse Laser II 599
17 Heavy Missile Launcher II 496
18 280mm Howitzer Artillery II 477
19 Anode Light Electron Particle Cannon I 470
20 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II 459

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#27 - 2013-12-02 11:31:14 UTC
While the Phoenix is a joke in real need of some love to state that there are no viable PvP ships in the Caldari line-up based on that is just sloppy thinking with no basis in fact.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-12-02 11:45:17 UTC
Samillian wrote:
While the Phoenix is a joke in real need of some love to state that there are no viable PvP ships in the Caldari line-up based on that is just sloppy thinking with no basis in fact.


We have viable ships, the griffin.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#29 - 2013-12-02 11:47:11 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:

Weapons systems top 20



Calling bs on this list if its supposed to be the most used weapons in either general OR pvp

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-12-02 11:53:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Digits Kho
Harpys made delve and fountain




oh wait its not missiles
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2013-12-02 12:01:14 UTC

So far on Buff Caldari.....



1) Gal are too good

2) Cal are too pooh for PvP

3) Missiles unusable

4) Rails too good

5) Armour Tanking OP

6) Grr CCP why u make us fly dump ships

7) Because everyone else does something, so must we all

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#32 - 2013-12-02 12:03:01 UTC
Majindoom Shi wrote:
The point is valid. Most people won't admit it. They don't want to use missiles so they ignore the fact. And raven doctrines are rare and may have just been a phase. Name me one class of ship where caldari is the favored for pvp.

T3? Nope teng us are good but not favored. Bc? Nope maybe only the crow would be favored in its class. Anything dread and above caldari is a joke and everyone knows it.

Which pvp? The blob kind? The station-games, neutral logi kind? The no-local kind?

OP: Caldari AFs see heavy use because active shield tanking is pretty ******* awesome. The Rokh is one of the best bait ships I've ever seen. Ravens make short work of structures at absurd ranges. Falcon. Blackbird. Drake got nerfed, but is still pretty popular as a conservative pvp boat. I've never seen a FW lowsec that didn't have Griffins on scan. RLML Caracals.

The problem isn't caldari ships or shield tanking or missiles. It's the phoenix and capital missiles. Rebalance incoming.

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Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#33 - 2013-12-02 12:30:48 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:

Weapons systems top 20



Calling bs on this list if its supposed to be the most used weapons in either general OR pvp

It's pvp and all api verified. So call BS all you want only makes you look like a fool.
Brendan Anneto
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#34 - 2013-12-02 12:34:26 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
I see a maticore there...how dare u say missles and shield arent used???

manticore is a glass vase. It doesn't count

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#35 - 2013-12-02 12:43:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
Knights Armament wrote:
Samillian wrote:
While the Phoenix is a joke in real need of some love to state that there are no viable PvP ships in the Caldari line-up based on that is just sloppy thinking with no basis in fact.


We have viable ships, the griffin.


I see your a big one for lists so just for you here is a list of viable Caldari PvP ships I encounter or use on a regular basis, some are of course niche but its still a good line-up.

Kestrel
Griffin
Condor
Merlin
Caldari Navy Hookbill

Hawk
Harpy (makes me happy)
Crow
Raptor
Manticore

Corax

Blackbird
Caracal
Moa (personal favourite)
Caracal Navy Issue

Falcon (kill on sight)
Cerebus

Tengu

Drake
Naga

Nighthawk

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#36 - 2013-12-02 13:03:29 UTC
Since Caldari are useless, CCP should remove them.

Especially Falcons please please.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#37 - 2013-12-02 13:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Majindoom Shi wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:

Weapons systems top 20



Calling bs on this list if its supposed to be the most used weapons in either general OR pvp

It's pvp and all api verified. So call BS all you want only makes you look like a fool.


Lol no for so many many reasons

And if you are too much of a fool to understand, I pity any PvP fleet you are part of

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#38 - 2013-12-02 13:07:03 UTC
Majindoom Shi wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:

Weapons systems top 20



Calling bs on this list if its supposed to be the most used weapons in either general OR pvp

It's pvp and all api verified. So call BS all you want only makes you look like a fool.

He's not saying the list is fake, he's saying it's not indicative of general pvp preferences or ability.

Duh.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#39 - 2013-12-02 13:08:42 UTC
CCP should make kitchen-sink fleets viable.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-12-02 13:09:21 UTC