EVE General Discussion

I'm gonna get burned for this. On the other hand, I'm already getting swamped and primaried 24/7 ingame so...

IN MY OPINION:

Its people. And when I say people, I mean players who get on their knies and open their mouths whenever Goonswarm jumps into system.

I dont blame Goonswarm. They didnt start with dominating 2/3 of EVE. I've seen them fight themselves up to the top of the foodchain. Kudos for that.

I dont think CCP will have an ingame answer that will make people grow a pair any time soon.

Haven't got a clue, 0.0 seems to be the same to me that it was years ago, person with the biggest stick usually wins.
Timers are crappy because it gives the big boys a day or so to get the big fleet formed up just in case some one was stupid enough to try and take it. Add to that titan bridging/cyno's etc and you can have 1000 players across the other side of the map within an hour.

Basically 0.0 is ****** will always be ****** and nobody including CCP have got the faintest idea of how to fix it so you get the eternal merry go round of people complaining about 0.0 and other people recommending "this" way of fixing it and other people saying it's crap etc.

If I get it right, you're saying that the momentum effect make biggest alliances always win the fights and that make 0.0 space sclerotic.
Is that it ?

Most of the space is worthless, much of the good space derives its value from passive activity (moon mining), taking space is a a one dimensional hitpoint grind in the timezone of your opponent's choosing, over and over and over again, the available upgrades for sov holders are the most rudimentary set of halfassed buffs, and industry is so hamstrung that it is invariably cheaper, quicker and easier to jump freighter everything in from Jita than to actually produce it yourself.

Allow me to try to get a clear cut understanding, iyo the problem is that 0 sec is:
-monolithical, because the way of taking sov is a grind and does not allow for lateral thinking and surprising maneuvers;
-uninspiring, with available infrstructural options being lukewarm at best, either in quality and in diversity;
-unrewarding, because the economical output is subpar compared to what exists elsewhere, considering efforts involved.

Is that it ?

Pretty much, yeah.

The only thing missing is that your summary understates massively how painfully convoluted and pointlessly intricated the whole process of taking, maintaining and ceding sov is.

I expected a good well thought out post from you considering I did all of the prepwork for you. ~lol no I'm right because~ is not a good post just FYI. I still expect you to put some bon-a-fied effort.

We are 35,000 strong our population sags when we are in peacetime and ramps up when we are in war time. Putting us in constant war like your suggestion is claiming to promote will mean we maintain a large enough population to wage a war of attrition on everyone. Wars of attrition are our specialty we deny the fun to the enemy and maximize the fun to ourselves as seen by fountain and delve. The only roadblock we would have is supercaps and none of your little alliances can field those because an opportunistic stronger alliance like PL will drop and destroy smaller supercap fleets. These smaller alliances do not have the income or resources to constantly replace their assets that are destroyed in conflict so none of it will last and we'll go back to people claiming to be ~elite pvpers~ whining on the forums with bad ideas because they can't single-handedly destroy what thousands of people have built.

These smaller alliances have NPC nullsec and will not be able to compete in sov nullsec without getting damn good at diplomacy, its the nature of the game. The more allies/friends you have in this multiplayer game the better off you are. No amount of removing quality of life enhancements will make that change.

Yep you hit some of the big ones, when highsec is better than the space you can own it creates a problem.

This entire thread is really pointless, when you think about it.
goons have won Eve. Period. Fullstop.

They do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want.

Altering sov mechanics will only slow or accelerate the speed that they conquer the rest of sov null sec, or whatever other space CCP gifts them (do we see conquerable high sec stations in summer 2014 or winter 2014?). It will not change the fact that inexorably, goons take control of more and more of the game (and the key prize, the game's income streams), and CCP is quite content with that.

Sov overhaul would be a real expansion, not this 2 ship, 2 items, rebalance a few ships, patch/expansion.