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What is the point of merc alliances?

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Sleeper Cell Agent
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-12-01 14:13:07 UTC
Hi

It's a serious question

For instance, a corp is decked by P I R A T alliance, T3/faction BS pilots.

They contact wh0res in Space, Marmite and are told "sorry, we are allied with these guys, we can't help you"

Now forgive me if im wrong but the meaning of MERCENARY is they have no loyalty's to anyone but ISK.

What is the point of being a mercenary alliance if you won't take contracts agaisnt viable targets that will actually fight?

Because from where im standing, Marmite, P I R A T and Wh0res are cowards who only deck targets that can't fight back.

How can they call themselves mercs when they wont fight actual mercs, which is stupid

??

Please, sumone explain this to me, cause atm i feel nothing but contempt for these alliances.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#2 - 2013-12-01 15:21:57 UTC
Mercs have friends too and sometimes those relationships are more valuable than your tiny amount of isk.

Also, Wh0res is still a thing?

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#3 - 2013-12-01 15:24:09 UTC
There are more mercs out there than just Marmite and Whores. Why cry on the forums that these particular alliances won't do what you want instead of looking for somebody who will?

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Subject 4927
DPS INC
Kenshin Shogunate.
#4 - 2013-12-01 16:55:29 UTC
The amount of Merc corps who would fight Marmite, PIRAT, and all the others is rather large.

So i suggest you contract a smaller corp to protect you and your mining lazers.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-12-01 17:20:49 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Mercs have friends too and sometimes those relationships are more valuable than your tiny amount of isk.

Also, Wh0res is still a thing?


No, that's not it at all. I remember Zeus Maximo starting a shitstorm on these forums because Marmite joined a war against them as allies of a defender, demanding that mercs "honor the contracts of other mercs". In essence, Zeus laid the foundation of this whole "blue donut" bullshit for high sec, where-by the larger mercenary alliances wouldn't help against each other because then, ships could be lost for both sides!

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Sleeper Cell Agent
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-12-01 17:41:41 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Mercs have friends too and sometimes those relationships are more valuable than your tiny amount of isk.

Also, Wh0res is still a thing?


No, that's not it at all. I remember Zeus Maximo starting a shitstorm on these forums because Marmite joined a war against them as allies of a defender, demanding that mercs "honor the contracts of other mercs". In essence, Zeus laid the foundation of this whole "blue donut" bullshit for high sec, where-by the larger mercenary alliances wouldn't help against each other because then, ships could be lost for both sides!


Kinda proves my point

mercs do not blue other mercs

ffs MC had BOB n two other corps blue n that was it, we took merc contracts against anyone

These *mercs* are a joke
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-01 17:46:23 UTC
Because even High Sec needs a blue list.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-12-01 17:55:49 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Because even High Sec needs a blue list.


To be fair, my alliance has a few people "blue", and that's only because we help one another when **** hits the fan. Kind of a mutual defense pact where we aid one another.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Brorr Liason
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#9 - 2013-12-01 17:57:14 UTC
Mercenary:
One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling




Odd this, no where in its definition does it say they have no contacts, friends or alliances.

As far as I know, when you contact an entity to hire them, they have the right to refuse service for any reason including, but not limited to the status relationship between your group, your enemy and the standings of the mercenary to both.

I also hear there are only a few merc groups............................
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-12-01 17:58:40 UTC
Sleeper Cell Agent wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Mercs have friends too and sometimes those relationships are more valuable than your tiny amount of isk.

Also, Wh0res is still a thing?


No, that's not it at all. I remember Zeus Maximo starting a shitstorm on these forums because Marmite joined a war against them as allies of a defender, demanding that mercs "honor the contracts of other mercs". In essence, Zeus laid the foundation of this whole "blue donut" bullshit for high sec, where-by the larger mercenary alliances wouldn't help against each other because then, ships could be lost for both sides!


Kinda proves my point

mercs do not blue other mercs

ffs MC had BOB n two other corps blue n that was it, we took merc contracts against anyone

These *mercs* are a joke


There was a time when mercs would fight other mercs, because it was part of the job. They didn't whine about it, they just did it. Of course, those mercs were also less likely to fly their faction-fit Vindicators because they generally understood that they might lose it really quick. So yes, I'd agree with you that mercenary coalitions like this are a joke.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2013-12-01 19:46:54 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Mercs have friends too and sometimes those relationships are more valuable than your tiny amount of isk.

Also, Wh0res is still a thing?


No, that's not it at all. I remember Zeus Maximo starting a shitstorm on these forums because Marmite joined a war against them as allies of a defender, demanding that mercs "honor the contracts of other mercs". In essence, Zeus laid the foundation of this whole "blue donut" bullshit for high sec, where-by the larger mercenary alliances wouldn't help against each other because then, ships could be lost for both sides!


Confirming that Anya Klibor, the master of Merc Politics, has spoken and trounced my words. I shall lead the day with a heavy heart, knowing I have been crushed. Mercs actually have no friends and just follow something called "honor."

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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-12-01 19:49:35 UTC
Sleeper Cell Agent wrote:

For instance, a corp is decked by P I R A T alliance, T3/faction BS pilots.

They contact wh0res in Space, Marmite and are told "sorry, we are allied with these guys, we can't help you".

It's quite simple, people need friends.

Sleeper Cell Agent wrote:

Now forgive me if im wrong but the meaning of MERCENARY is they have no loyalty's to anyone but ISK.

I'm sure you got the answer you got because the amount of isk you'd have to pay for it to be worth to whoever it is that decced you to get those mercs in wouldn't be worth it for you.

Sleeper Cell Agent wrote:

What is the point of being a mercenary alliance if you won't take contracts agaisnt viable targets that will actually fight?

I know plenty of merc alliances that want to fight, look for other entities.

Sleeper Cell Agent wrote:

Because from where im standing, Marmite, P I R A T and Wh0res are cowards who only deck targets that can't fight back.

Okay, that makes no sense but okay. (Everyone can fight back, so that's a silly thing to say)

Sleeper Cell Agent wrote:

How can they call themselves mercs when they wont fight actual mercs, which is stupid

It's kinda easy since half of high sec are mercs, i even saw a guy that'll mine for you.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.comĀ 

Soliscout
#13 - 2013-12-01 19:56:58 UTC
Sleeper Cell Agent wrote:


For instance, a corp is decked T3/faction BS pilots.


AAAAW

show me on that plush Drake where the evil BS touched you Roll
KiloAlpha
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-12-01 20:09:56 UTC
contact me ingame and we will disscuss a contract
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-01 21:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
There are no Mercenaries, only Griefers (outside of maybe spacehonourable groups like Noir., but they are pretty terrible and nobody worth a damn actually takes them seriously).

Your average run of the mill group of high sec internet spaceship warlords masquerading about as 'mercenaries' are mainly just griefers that think there is some equivalency to ganking industrials, frigates and mission runners and actual fleet brawls; and to each their own, many pilots (even some decent ones) started exploring PvP in this very manner, which- while not necessarily the pinnacle of skill, anything that gets players comfortable with other players exploding is a good thing I guess.

It is sad however, that many of the groups currently cavorting about in this fashion have been doing the exact same things for years, equate whatever garbage tier nullsec group they flew with to the nullsec experience and generally have the fitting knowledge of whatever was posted on failheap (if they aren't completely ****) and battleclinic (if they are). These are also the same people that think killboard stats actually mean something, the top 20 on EVE-Kill actually means anything other than recent activity, and K:DR is a valid measurement of skill.

Every group in EVE will no doubt have friends, but setting the majority of the competition blue just makes for a dull experience (or at least it would from what I remember) especially for no other purpose than having a relatively uncontested trade hub undock to mercilessly kill shuttles and what not on (You can always ask for help without setting standing, sort by ticker is super helpful).

Surely there are a few groups out there that actually do the deed and run locates, leave a pipe, and take the fight to their would be enemy that they are being paid to oppress, and hopefully that would be enemy would embrace the fact that somebody ludicrously paid internet spaceship dollars to be war dec'd and will take up arms; but in reality- they will lose a handful of ships, maybe kill a person from the aggressing corp, and play skill queue online for a week.

In almost any situation, you'd be better off doing the fighting yourself and learning from your mistakes- but EVE is a terrible game full of terrible people and what appears to be mindnumbingly boring and stupid to one person, is another person's blissful weekend happily wasted.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-12-01 22:45:37 UTC
Xolve, you were in Orphanage longer than I was, but from what I remember they didn't have very many blue corporations, and I don't remember anyone who was in Merc Contracts being blue, save NOIR. Correct me if I'm wrong there, please. But I agree with your post for the most part. It seems that really fits the majority of the larger coalitions such as Marmite. Give Vegas whatever crap you want, but at least he'll fight people like Marmite and hand them their ass.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-12-01 22:45:51 UTC
Sleeper Cell Agent wrote:

Please, sumone explain this to me, cause atm i feel nothing but contempt for these alliances.


Cry

So, you want real mercs to take on P I R A T?
I hear good things about Pod Repo and Devils Warriors.

Might check there.

D.

Bear

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-12-01 23:22:31 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Xolve, you were in Orphanage longer than I was, but from what I remember they didn't have very many blue corporations, and I don't remember anyone who was in Merc Contracts being blue, save NOIR. Correct me if I'm wrong there, please. But I agree with your post for the most part. It seems that really fits the majority of the larger coalitions such as Marmite. Give Vegas whatever crap you want, but at least he'll fight people like Marmite and hand them their ass.


They didn't really have any blue corporations, hell my alt corp got dec'd by them on one rotation- but then again- they wern't playing the 'merc for profit' shadow game either and were much more approachable in terms of getting a button pushed with an implicit warning that we probably wouldn't hunt people down, and just shot things off an undock somewhere, a few did- those were the times.

EVE caters to the lazy player, and punishes those who login and try and create content for those insufferable faggots.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#19 - 2013-12-02 00:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Xolve wrote:
Because even High Sec needs a blue list.
Because 00 alliances have no friends.... Blink duh...

@OP : Stop the crying..... P But but but buttt....

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-12-02 00:55:13 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Xolve wrote:
Because even High Sec needs a blue list.
Because 00 alliances have no friends.... Blink duh...

@OP : Stop the crying..... P But but but buttt....


We could talk about the comparative differences between the two anytime you wish Tora.

Diplomacy is a terrible thing, that should have never happened.
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