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tristar cosmose
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-01 11:34:09 UTC
Hi there.

Could somebody please explain how the following is possible?

I enter Jita and hit the "fly to and dock" button on a station. I arrive at the station and in the time it takes to exit warp and dock, I get killed.

I had no timers pending at all but had received a kill right earlier from a player I killed in low-sec.

I'm not familiar with the public side of the kill right system as I have come back to EVE after a long break. I read the email which said "the kill right on you has been made available to all for 0 isk" after making the kill but didn't know what it meant. Please explain how this means I can be podkilled at any time in hi-sec by any pilot without any warning... Do they have to purchase the kill rights through some form of menu system? Or do I appear as a criminal on their overview and can be shot immediately by any pilot without consequence? I was aware they/their corp could exact revenge but it was not them.

This seems to me to be a stupid mechanic - what's the point of the criminal and suspect timers with this in effect? Why would someone ever charge more than 0 ISK to have revenge exacted for them?

What am I missing here, this seems incredibly dumb and it's cost me an industrial ship and full set of implants.

-Tim.
Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
#2 - 2013-12-01 11:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Snaggletooth Slackjaw
If kill rights on you are made available, anyone can activate them (after paying a fee, in this case, 0 isk) and turn you suspect for 15 minutes.

If you are killed during that 15 minutes, the Kill Right will be used up.

If you are not killed, the Kill Rights are still available for people to activate.

Depending on factors such as the ships you fly, and the size of any bounty on your head, Kill Rights can be worth a fair bit of isk, but pricing the KR on someone is tricky....too high, and no-one will pay.

Edit to Add: When someone locks you, the option to activate the Kill Rights will appear in the selected items box. The overview can be set to highlight pilots with Kill Rights that can be activated, that;s why you got popped so quickly.

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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#3 - 2013-12-01 11:41:31 UTC
If there is a killright publicly available against you, it will be seen as a crosshair on the "selected item" when someone clicks on your ship in space. By clicking on that, they can activate the killright, making you a suspect, for whatever price was put on it (free in your case). You won't get a warning, but there will be a beep when you get a suspect timer, and you'll see that there is a timer against you. And yes, that means you can be podded too.

The reason they would charge more than 0 is so that you can't just activate it yourself for free and have someone kill you in a noobship.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2013-12-01 11:41:55 UTC
They activated your kill right and used it to kill you.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2013-12-01 11:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
First of all, are you sure it was the kill right that was exercised and not just a bog-standard indy gank?

Activating an available kill right is quick and easy, as the others have described, but seems a bit overkill for what you're describing.
Dirk Gentry
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#6 - 2013-12-01 11:43:00 UTC
tristar cosmose wrote:

What am I missing here, this seems incredibly dumb and it's cost me an industrial ship and full set of implants.


Why don't you tell that to the guy you killed.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#7 - 2013-12-01 11:46:27 UTC
when somone got kill rights against you he can:
kill you duh
share the kill right with his:
* corp
*alliance
share killright with everyone.

if he is business man he'll ask for isk in order to use the kill rights. if he hates you he will share it for free and announce it.

ENJOY your hard earned tears... the dude was so pissed that you killed him he just shared the kill rights for free with everyone.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-12-01 11:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugalbandak
tristar cosmose wrote:
Hi there.

Could somebody please explain how the following is possible?

I enter Jita and hit the "fly to and dock" button on a station. I arrive at the station and in the time it takes to exit warp and dock, I get killed.

I had no timers pending at all but had received a kill right earlier from a player I killed in low-sec.

I'm not familiar with the public side of the kill right system as I have come back to EVE after a long break. I read the email which said "the kill right on you has been made available to all for 0 isk" after making the kill but didn't know what it meant. Please explain how this means I can be podkilled at any time in hi-sec by any pilot without any warning... Do they have to purchase the kill rights through some form of menu system? Or do I appear as a criminal on their overview and can be shot immediately by any pilot without consequence? I was aware they/their corp could exact revenge but it was not them.

This seems to me to be a stupid mechanic - what's the point of the criminal and suspect timers with this in effect? Why would someone ever charge more than 0 ISK to have revenge exacted for them?

What am I missing here, this seems incredibly dumb and it's cost me an industrial ship and full set of implants.

-Tim.


dude wake up , you killed a guy in low sec , and this is his revange , you just stupid to fly to jita with killrights on your head.

do what most ppl do , create neutral haul alts

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Old Phill
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-12-01 12:03:05 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
when somone got kill rights against you he can:
kill you duh
share the kill right with his:
* corp
*alliance
share killright with everyone.

if he is business man he'll ask for isk in order to use the kill rights. if he hates you he will share it for free and announce it.

ENJOY your hard earned tears... the dude was so pissed that you killed him he just shared the kill rights for free with everyone.


if he hates you he will put a price because if its free get some corp alt to do it and die in a rookie ship free heck ive even seen them be used by dying to npcs the best amount is probably 5-20mil enough to prevent you from flying anything bigger than a frigate really
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-12-01 12:18:33 UTC
Everytime you undergo in criminal activity your victim recieves a kill right on you. This means any kind of outside war/suspect attack in Hisec, or any pod kill in Lowsec.

If you perform any of these 2 activities and notice your victims turn your kill rights public, just bring a rookie ship and kill yourself with an alt after activating it. If they don't, things get complicated since you never know when his friends/allies/corp might be around and have the KR available to them.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#11 - 2013-12-01 13:40:26 UTC
A pirate tear is a best tear.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#12 - 2013-12-01 13:56:57 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
A pirate tear is a best tear.


He's no pirate, he's a part-timer that doesn't understand game mechanics any more than the guy he podded and got what all part-timers deserve.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#13 - 2013-12-01 17:32:51 UTC
Activating a Killright simply makes you Suspect, and while Suspect you may be attacked by anyone. It doesn't matter if you are in a ship or a pod.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-12-01 20:52:59 UTC
tristar cosmose wrote:


This seems to me to be a stupid mechanic


Well, here's to hoping that CCP will revisit this mechanic now that they've had some vital input from someone who admittedly lacks any ******* clue about the functionality of the mechanic.

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... and it's cost me an industrial ship and full set of implants.

-Tim.


No, you cost you an industrial ship and a full set of implants. Be more careful next time.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-12-01 22:12:24 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
when somone got kill rights against you he can:
kill you duh
share the kill right with his:
* corp
*alliance
share killright with everyone.

if he is business man he'll ask for isk in order to use the kill rights. if he hates you he will share it for free and announce it.

ENJOY your hard earned tears... the dude was so pissed that you killed him he just shared the kill rights for free with everyone.


Of course if the OP had been smart after seeing it was a free for all on a kill right, he would have,

1. Got in an empty clone.
2. Got in a cheap ship
3. Had a corp member kill his ship and pod him.

And this would have cleared the kill right with less of a loss and fewer tears.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#16 - 2013-12-01 22:41:18 UTC
hmmmm

Killright fu and agro fu are two mainstays of the game especially where highsec is involved. There are entire game careers built around "gaming" agro and kill rights.


So, who's to say that a kill in lowsec is NOT a thrown match in the first place? Think about it. If some weekend warrior wants to roam low or null and kill somebody, why kill him there and get at best a combat ship and some mods that was expected to be popped?

Throw the encounter, let him win, and then when he's moving a load of loot in Jita - *BOOM*.

Apparently the "hauler/indy/pvp" alt is not merely over convenience. What?





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Ocean Pollen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-12-02 03:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocean Pollen
Lowsec: still just as unsafe to carebears. Now also unsafe to pvpers who forget to use their mandatory alts to go shopping.

EDIT: oh, it's just pod kills?

I guess that's alright then.
Daggarz BachStaab
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-01-13 23:52:52 UTC
Snaggletooth Slackjaw wrote:

If you are killed during that 15 minutes, the Kill Right will be used up.


This is not true. I accidentally used a smart bomb while I was mining in a small ship. Some other miner had a droid close by and Concord wasted me in 2 secs. This person then placed Kill Rights on me and gave them away for free to two other players. The KR lasts 30 days. I tried to pay off the person but he wanted no part. 40MM ship blown apart in Jita and my pod. I thought it was finally over, Guess What? the other two kill rights that this guy sold for 0 ISK are still active!! And guess what more? They can still sell the KR for 0 ISK during the 30 days - What's really the point of this punishment? So I have lost 2 ships already with another two potential looking over my shoulder, basically held hostage, over a stupid tiny mistake.The punishment for my mistake doesnt fit the crime and I am about to quit the game because I don't pay money to a game to be held hostage for 30 days. Better to quit 30 days and return when the KR disappears. Whoever created this stupid punishment didnt think out all the outcomes or probably didnt care. Sorry for the vent.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2014-01-13 23:59:20 UTC
I'm not normally much of a tear harvester, but am forced to agree that pirate tears, best tears.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#20 - 2014-01-14 00:02:14 UTC
Yep, I once lost an unarmed Bestower to two people activating 5,000,000ISK (each) killrights on me... pretty sure that cost more than the ship was worth (I was hauling exactly 1 item), they didn't get my pod, and the kill-right got used up in the process.

All in all, a small price to pay to get rid of the stupid thing. In a way they did me a favor.

So the real trick, if you feel like exploiting game mechanics (and who doesn't?) is to have a corpmate or someone you trust (or 2nd account alts) activate the killright on you while you're in a rookie ship. Ship is blown up, killright is used up, warp your pod back home safely.

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