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Ghost Sites, how many have you found?

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Two Vargurs one Hole
#1 - 2013-11-29 19:36:57 UTC
Where are you scanning and how often, etc?

There's fewer ghosts in Tribute than at a Derek Acorah séance.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-11-29 23:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Where are you scanning and how often, etc?

There's fewer ghosts in Tribute than at a Derek Acorah séance.


I'm reasonably certain there are basically 4 or 5 of each class of ghost site simultaneously spawned at any given time in the universe, and that they immediately respawn elsewhere after popping.

Your best bet is anywhere with low traffic.

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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2013-11-30 15:24:42 UTC
I ran into 6 so far. They seem to spawn quite a bit in null-sec.

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Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-12-01 04:39:08 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Where are you scanning and how often, etc?

There's fewer ghosts in Tribute than at a Derek Acorah séance.


I'm reasonably certain there are basically 4 or 5 of each class of ghost site simultaneously spawned at any given time in the universe, and that they immediately respawn elsewhere after popping.

Your best bet is anywhere with low traffic.


Your reasonably certain seems to conflict with my finding 3 Ghost Sites in 4 systems in one region.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2013-12-01 04:43:16 UTC
When hunting for ghost sites I tend to find 2-3 per hour. I think I've done 20-30 ghost sites. Once found 2 in one system.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-01 06:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Czeris wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Where are you scanning and how often, etc?

There's fewer ghosts in Tribute than at a Derek Acorah séance.


I'm reasonably certain there are basically 4 or 5 of each class of ghost site simultaneously spawned at any given time in the universe, and that they immediately respawn elsewhere after popping.

Your best bet is anywhere with low traffic.


Your reasonably certain seems to conflict with my finding 3 Ghost Sites in 4 systems in one region.



Unless you know how many were simultaneously spawned elsewhere, it really doesn't (that would, in fact, be a statistically certain outcome of what I had suggested).

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Czeris
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Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-01 09:50:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Czeris
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Czeris wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Where are you scanning and how often, etc?

There's fewer ghosts in Tribute than at a Derek Acorah séance.


I'm reasonably certain there are basically 4 or 5 of each class of ghost site simultaneously spawned at any given time in the universe, and that they immediately respawn elsewhere after popping.

Your best bet is anywhere with low traffic.


Your reasonably certain seems to conflict with my finding 3 Ghost Sites in 4 systems in one region.



Unless you know how many were simultaneously spawned elsewhere, it really doesn't (that would, in fact, be a statistically certain outcome of what I had suggested).


Hey dude, I actually do know about statistics and probability. Yes it is theoretically possible. It is also possible that I can buy 4 lotto tickets tomorrow and they'll all be winners. Unfortunately the probability of that is so infinitesimally small that proposing it is borderline insane.

There are ~3500 null sec systems. What do you think the probability of me encountering 3 sites in 4 of those systems in a row says about your theory that there are " 4 or 5 of each class of ghost site simultaneously spawned at any given time in the universe"?

It is also theoretically possible that someone could roll 1 on a milliion sided die, 10 times in a row.

And yet you have two people in as many days saying they have seen results that shouldn't be repeated for thousands of years.

So what's the reasonable conclusion? We have seen the most spectacular display of random chance in Eve's history, or your theory is wrong?
Baron Chauman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-12-01 17:28:40 UTC
In the Branch region I'm lucky if I find one ghost site in an hour, and that's jumping around with the warp speed of an anathema. I've seen about 8 of them so far.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-01 18:38:07 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
I'm reasonably certain there are basically 4 or 5 of each class of ghost site simultaneously spawned at any given time in the universe, and that they immediately respawn elsewhere after popping.


I've found 20-30 ghost sites, which i don't think would be possible if only 4 or 5 existed at a time.

I'm more incline to believe at given number exist within a given area probably a region, and may or may not have some respawn delay.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2013-12-02 16:21:15 UTC
Czeris wrote:

So what's the reasonable conclusion? We have seen the most spectacular display of random chance in Eve's history, or your theory is wrong?


My only regret is that I have but one like to give for your post.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#11 - 2013-12-02 21:50:14 UTC
Ive found a grand total of 2 of these. Both on the first day. After that its been dry. I am in high sec.

To get some idea of spawn rates Ive started doing the following:

First I found some time lapse screen capture software. It takes a screen shot every 2 seconds (adjustable) and assembles the result in a movie
Each night I take a cloaky into a random nearby system, cloak up, open the scanner and start the time lapse screen capture.
In the morning I watch the movie and count how many of what type of sites spawned. I use two clients in different systems.

I got 43 hours of data. In that time Ive seen 5 signatures spawn, 8 combat anomalies, zero ore sites and zero ghost sites.

Obviously, more data is needed.

I'm a little worried that the ghost sites may not persist log enough for me to see them. I'm bound by the built-in update rate of the scanner. If a ghost site pops up and gets completed between scans Ill miss it.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#12 - 2013-12-02 22:21:01 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:

I'm a little worried that the ghost sites may not persist log enough for me to see them. I'm bound by the built-in update rate of the scanner. If a ghost site pops up and gets completed between scans Ill miss it.


But aren't your scans 2 seconds apart? You won't miss any ghost sites that way.

Also, its nearly certain that ghost sites use the same spawning mechanics as other cosmic anomalies and signatures, that being that they respawn as they are completed. The results of your analysis are therefore region specific and heavily influenced by player activity in that region at the time you were recording.

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Yaaar's Revenge
Lightning Squad
Snuffed Out
#13 - 2013-12-03 03:46:26 UTC
I've spent about 2/3 days roaming through null looking for Ghost Sites and found absolutely none so far. So I guess I've just been unlucky in my search

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-12-03 06:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Honestly, I really haven't been looking for them.

I did happen to see one listed in the sensor sweep of a high sec system while I was busy running the Minmatar Level 4 Epic Arc.

I didn't even bother to check it out. Didn't even think twice about it.

After seeing the Dev Blog about the loot distribution for the various sec levels of space (high sec, low sec, null sec and w-hole), I decided that the high sec and low sec Ghost sites are nothing more than a waste of time. Now maybe if I had been in the middle of the null sec big blue donut .........

Anyway, seems to me those sites weren't created for solo explorers. Too much risk, not enough reward. Besides that, it'll take a long time to collect everything to make a full set. More than likely I'll just get the items later from the various Regional Markets / Public Contracts.

Definitely less hassle and a lot quicker.


DMC



Joshua Foiritain wrote:
I ran into 6 so far. They seem to spawn quite a bit in null-sec.

Roll

Of course they do. That was a given right from the start.

Make sure to thank your CSM for that.



DMC
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#15 - 2013-12-03 16:12:48 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

I'm a little worried that the ghost sites may not persist log enough for me to see them. I'm bound by the built-in update rate of the scanner. If a ghost site pops up and gets completed between scans Ill miss it.


But aren't your scans 2 seconds apart? You won't miss any ghost sites that way.

Also, its nearly certain that ghost sites use the same spawning mechanics as other cosmic anomalies and signatures, that being that they respawn as they are completed. The results of your analysis are therefore region specific and heavily influenced by player activity in that region at the time you were recording.

My screenshots are 2 seconds apart. I'm not sure how often the scanner runs. Its just doing whatever automatic rate is built into the game.

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Ginger Barbarella
#16 - 2013-12-03 16:29:46 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Where are you scanning and how often, etc?

There's fewer ghosts in Tribute than at a Derek Acorah séance.


1. I've found about 7 of 'em, when I was running other anoms
2. Actively did two of them, one blew up in my face after landing on-grid, and the others I wasn't fit for exploration so I didn't bbother with them
3. You don't scan for ghost sites.
4. They're SUPPOSED to be rare.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-03 18:05:23 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I decided that the high sec and low sec Ghost sites are nothing more than a waste of time.


I find low-sec are worth doing, the research tools and wheels is pretty much 50-70M guaranteed, and if you get a bpc or two it's another 50-100M.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-12-03 21:56:53 UTC
My general impression is that if you happen to see them in high sec or low sec they're worth doing, but its only worth it to search for them in null or wormhole space.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-12-04 01:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
dexington wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I decided that the high sec and low sec Ghost sites are nothing more than a waste of time.


I find low-sec are worth doing, the research tools and wheels is pretty much 50-70M guaranteed, and if you get a bpc or two it's another 50-100M.

The low sec sites might be worth it due to not much competition from other explorers. I guess 50 to 70 mill reward is better than nothing.



BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
My general impression is that if you happen to see them in high sec or low sec they're worth doing, but its only worth it to search for them in null or wormhole space.

The automatic sensor sweep is actually doing the searching. All the player has to do is just open the scanner box to see it.

If the player is just running combat anomalies or passing through the system running missions or en-route to Market then they won't have the Hacking mods with them. I don't think it's worth the time to go get the Hacking mod, refit and go back. More than likely the site will probably already be completed, especially in high security.

Now if the player is actually probing for exploration sites then they should already have the Hacking mods with them so yeah, I agree they might as well go for the site if there's nothing else available..


DMC
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#20 - 2013-12-06 15:46:59 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
dexington wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I decided that the high sec and low sec Ghost sites are nothing more than a waste of time.


I find low-sec are worth doing, the research tools and wheels is pretty much 50-70M guaranteed, and if you get a bpc or two it's another 50-100M.

The low sec sites might be worth it due to not much competition from other explorers. I guess 50 to 70 mill reward is better than nothing.


Not bad for 2 minutes of work though. Or 5-10 if you have to go get a hacking mod. I've observed these sites hanging around for awhile. Although you'll average more like 30 CRTs from a site, which is only 15m. Wheels have fallen pretty hard as expected, although they're still above the CRTs unit-for-unit. As wheels only come from empire and are required for all the implants, I would expect them to maintain some value in the long term.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Joshua Foiritain wrote:
I ran into 6 so far. They seem to spawn quite a bit in null-sec.

Roll

Of course they do. That was a given right from the start.

Make sure to thank your CSM for that.


No need to get all tinfoil, or blame the CSM that nullsec has a bigger part of space than empire. With its wide open spaces and low population density, null is just simply the best place to find the sites and run them. IMO its the only space where you can viably farm them. But that's more of a giveaway to players that can fly t3's more than it is to nullsec entities. The nature of the sites makes sovereignty and standings irrelevant. It only takes like 10-15 minutes to get from jita to the outermost systems of null. I would expect the higher population density of empire and null to result in more sites run than all off null+W-space.

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