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How to deal with Eve induced emotional trauma?

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#41 - 2013-11-29 21:41:02 UTC
I am kind of late to this party but I'll throw in my 2 isk.

For me, once you've taken a few big hits to the wallet you realize that you can get your money back fairly quick. I've been to zero a few times and eventually found recovering is not that hard overall. I will say that I pay the short term bills by doing L4 missions, and you can make several million isk on each one (plus the salvage, which is much easier to deal with with the new tractor units).

As for how do I feel after a big loss? My first truly 'big' loss was after mining constantly to buy a Machariel. I already had good support skills and T2 large guns. I was in for over a billion isk on the ship. I had a fit I had been planning for a week. I got home from work that night, the last of my ore had sold, the Galente BS skill had a point in it now and I threw my fit together and raced off to a faction mission (I didn't care about standing) to unleash hell!

Five minute later I was in a pod and out a billion isk, scrammed and melted by rats. W? T? F?

I pulled up EFT and checked the numbers on my fit. I looked at the loss mail to make sure I had everything I had planned.
Guns? check. - T2 800mm ACs
Shield hardeners? Check. Two, both set for the right damage types.
Afterburner? Check. I was moving fast, I should have been OK.
Shield booster? Check. C5, just like I had planned.

I was ready to punch F12 and complain to the GMs that something must be broken. A billion isk from mostly mining was gone! I started to write up a petition ticket and transcribed my fit in to it when reality hit me.

C5

I never noticed that the C5 shield booster had different sizes. I had only fit a medium one. Sure enough, looking in my hangar I see the one I was going to actually use on the ship. I must had had a C5 medium from looting an earlier mission somewhere.

I had nobody to blame but myself. I logged off for the night and stewed for a little bit, but it was my fault, nobody elses.

The next day went back to work on earning isk and bought a second Machariel that I would also eventually lose. I have since lost four of them to missions (I take the blame for three of them, the fourth I blame on the client, but the logs showed nothing of course). I was forced to abandon an Orca in a WH once too and got robbed of almost every isk and ship I owned.

But, from 0 isk you can recover fairly quickly. I've done it in Low-sec just because I wanted the challenge. I now have a few small fleets of ships in different areas in case I should ever need to rebuild again, I built a foundation against a future flood.

This is just a game. Isk is not the most important thing in the game either. If that is your mindset then this is no longer a game but instead it is a job, and you are paying for it.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-11-30 06:25:23 UTC
I have never been scammed or ganked of anything of worth because I am a cynical bastard an assume the worst.

I'm not sure how to get this across to other people, but the whole idea is to undock in something not worth ganking and not going to places where you can't be ganked and never leaving NPC corps.

Sure this gameplay upsets other people who are hot and bothered they can't kill everyone at anytime, but that's where I derive my enjoyement.

Simply put, to avoid emotional trauma you simply have to stop doing stupid things.

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Good Apollo BS4
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-11-30 23:20:02 UTC
Never listen to anything anyone says in local. Especially in a trade hub, assuming that's where your probs began.

As admiral ackbar said...
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#44 - 2013-12-01 04:04:50 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
  • Be familiar with the mechanics of lowsec space (which Aunenen is).

  • It seems odd how few people consider that even basic, T1 haulers have plenty of room for several Warp Stabilizers along side all of those hitpoint buffs. Unless they are camping with multiple heavy battleships then getting past your token hi/lo botcamp shouldn't be too difficult...
    Cousk
    JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
    WE FORM VOLTRON
    #45 - 2013-12-08 17:52:13 UTC
    Wow, a lot of new posts! Apparently the forums got tired of notifying me of new posts here! Will read soon and give more input :) Thanks everyone!

    I'm still playing and i recently found a corp, i think we will be a good match ^^
    Kurai Kihaku
    Commonwealth of Individuals
    #46 - 2013-12-08 22:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kurai Kihaku
    Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
    Cousk wrote:
    So i reactivated my account after a break, all the Rubicon stuff seemed so shiny. I love the way they develop this, more as a service than a product. It's amazing.

    While exploring the new stuff i saw a nice trade deal and i figured I'll strike while the iron is hot :) I invested all my money (500mln) and set out in my hauler... Of course, it was a scam, or i simply flew right into an ambush. Now my wallet is empty and my favorite ship gone. It was exciting but ended up being such a bummer.

    So what a nice welcome back to the world of Eve :) It is my fault, i took a big risk and lost, so you are probably thinking 'suck it up and get over it'.

    And the thing is, i don't know how to do that. I was in the middle of a hype about the new expansion, trying new things and exploring new possibilities... now it's all gone. All that desire to play disappeared (frankly I'm a bit depressed now and don't feel like doing anything at all).

    So my question to the community is, how do you deal with emotional trauma caused by major setbacks in the game?

    I'm also curious how Eve as a product deals with that, considering how many people must have a similar experience to mine... How does Eve keep us all hooked or at least comig back after such devastating blows?

    PS. Now that i think about it, it's not my fault i fell victim to a scam or ambush, that's typical victim blaming. However i still feel i was aware of a risk and took it.

    I cry, then suck it up. I remember that this is just a game, you sometimes have a "blast", and sometimes it just frankly sucks. Like everything else in life. And then i get weird fetishes off some brutal revenge.



    Wrong. This is not just a game. If it was "just a game" you couldn't lose $232 in RL money in a matter of seconds. But that's exactly what happened to my friend a few days back who got his freighter bumped, and wtfpwned in 0.6 system with 6 billion isk inside. My friend keeps playing EVE, but if it was me, I'd go spend my $232 on Steam sales instead. ; )
    Asia Leigh
    Kenshin Industries.
    Kenshin Shogunate.
    #47 - 2013-12-09 05:00:35 UTC
    ISD LackOfFaith wrote:


    Nah, I just looked you up on a public killboard: https://zkillboard.com/character/173265600/ The only loss was that Iteron. I'm not sure how you lost 500m ISK worth of stuff, though, since there is nothing on that kill even remotely close to that price.



    He probably fell for a Currier contract scam. The 500m isk was probably collateral.
    Apply the damn rules equally >.>
    
    Cousk
    JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
    WE FORM VOLTRON
    #48 - 2013-12-10 07:42:38 UTC
    It occurs to me that some people who post here don't read all the replies: P

    There is a lot of speculation to what exactly happened, so here's my attempt to make it as clear as possible: I saw a possible trade at Eve Central for Cargohold Expanders II, buying in Amarr and selling in Jita if I remember correctly. I would have made a couple of millions that way, which is A LOT to me (more on that later). I bought as much as i had money for. When i was moving the stuff to Jita my ship got blown up, i had no idea how to handle the situation, i ended up jumping in my pod to the next system on my route because of panic, when i came back with some ship that could hold cargo, i got to watch someone pick my **** up and warp away :P According to people here, i scheduled a route through low sec, i didn't notice it at the time. Which is weird because i have my route settings set to avoiding low and null sec?

    What most people type here confirms my simple conclusion: i have not a single clue how to play this game.

    You can make 100mln in an hour, what?! I've spent years collecting that money, starting out from a plex i got for recruiting. I find it really hard to make good profit on trades, if i make a million when investing a couple of hundred into cargo, that's a good trade according to me. I'm sure that's partially to the small amount of time i have to spend on Eve ( one hour on a good day ), and i mean overall, not just logged in and playing. If i want to read up on something or update my excel sheets, that's spending time on Eve.

    As for other sources of income, I’m working on improving that. For now I’ve only got access to level 1 missions, and a good miner, but i find mining abysmally boring and a waste of the little time I’ve got. But i can always do it if i'm pressed for cash.

    I understand that most of the things i write can be and is seen as whining, griefing and complaining.

    But that really isn't my intention, i'm not jealous (well maybe a little, rich bastards :P) of anyone, i'm not saying this game is ****, it's awesome. All im trying to do here is to share with you my perspective and experience, and perhaps find advice on how to become better at Eve.

    If people are interested in what i have been doing since the incident: I've kept playing, this is currently the only game i play, which is highly unusual for me. I believe i've managed to channel these emotions constructively, and that's what has helped me focus on Eve.

    I've sold off some junk i wasn't using for cash, got a good frigate and destroyer, and did the Epic arc for SOE. Talked to a lot of people who helped me with advice, even got a free ship somehow, first time that has ever happened. I've also enjoyed playing with RL friends, we did missions and exploration with salvaging, i think exploration was my favorite. There is a Null Sec corp that is waiting for my application, but i've been waiting with that until i've got all my assets sorted, hauling them about and selling in a newly fitted industrial ship with MWD and Cloak. I'm aware that joining a null sec corp is essentially saying goodbye to high sec, so i figured i get my stuff in order and liquidated before i do so.
    L'ouris
    Have Naught Subsidiaries
    #49 - 2013-12-10 16:30:08 UTC
    Don't sell EVERYTHING you own in highsec when you move out to null!

    always leave something back in highsec for a backup.

    Even if you never need it, sometimes its refreshing to jump clone back and yell 'Wheee!' in local while jumping around all those nasty neutrals and war targets in your pod without worrying about bubbles.

    I recommend you try to at least leave something that you can make basic levels of ISK with in highsec somewhere, sell everything else off thats not important, then move out.

    You have two easy ways to move as well, set your med clone to your new home and just self-destruct your pod ( pod-jumping ) and buy all your stuff out there to get settled in or enjoy your first long journey out into deep space to get comfortable with travel out there ( my recommendation ). just make sure your med clone is your new home in case your travels are interrupted :)
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