EVE General Discussion

This is actually a very good point. While there is an equal pay issue between genders, it is not widespread, and women have the legal right and means to take individual action for themselves.

I don't deny that there are male feminists who do so for brownie points and don't actually care about equality. There are also feminists who completely misrepresent the issues, and others who are so radical and antagonistic they alienate potential supporters.

But there are also those who genuinely believe that there are important issues we still need to discuss and work on.

It's very, very difficult to prove such things, unless very blatant. Most people don't go back to rejected job applications, and ask "Hey, why didn't I get hired, and what credentials do the person you did hire hold?" In fact, the vast majority of companies will flat refuse to give you that sort of info, just because of the discrimination card.

And yeah, I agree, it's really not as widespread as before, but it does happen, too often IMHO. Here's a personal story.

Few years back when, I worked as a tech for a satellite TV company. Not a contractor, the actual company itself. In order to get promoted, you had to take on difficult installs and service calls. Said company had assigned metrics to all the work, and that's how they did promotions. The field manager was the one deciding who got what job.

Well, after a few months in, I noticed I was always getting super easy jobs that were worthless for points. I asked the field manager, and was told "Well, I don't want to give you any work you can't handle. Women lack the upper body strength needed to haul some of this gear onto a roof. Nothing personal."

Needless to say, when I complained, the discussion never happened. I was labeled as a "troublemaker", started getting assigned less jobs (less jobs=less hours). Ended up quitting not long after.

statistics irelevant its the pretty girls who move up the corp ladder in eve or in the real world or virtual thats a fact unfortunate for the girl who is skilled and can do th job better corps dont recruit or hire smart people because they are a threat so they will recruit the dumb blonde in that mini thats how it works. Woman are aware of that and some use that to there advantage not all most become victims of discrimination or violation of there rights.

Is this a 10-20% gap in specific jobs where males and females are equally educated, have equal experience and working equal hours, or is this gap just a general statistic about average male wages vs average female wages? If it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily indicate discrimination. More evidence would need to be provided to make that assessment. In all likelihood, it's due to a difference in lifestyle choices between average men and women.

sooo...errrhm. what? are you implying a woman can't be attractive and intelligent? I think that's a bit stereotypical lol to say the least.

I'm not going to deny that discrimination exists. Of course it does and it always will, but laws are in place to prevent that. If those laws aren't doing what they're meant to do, we need to assess why. You say it's very difficult to prove and I believe you're right about that, so it would seem the problem lies with the courts and the methods with which the laws are enforced. It also indicates that perhaps people need to be more aware of what their rights are and when they are being violated.

possibly threads that go off on tangents like this don't help, i don't know...

That's not what I said. I said laws have been made to protect people and if they're not working, we need to assess why.

not at all I would hire the attractive and intelligent over the dumb blonde anyday I and my corp would never feel threaten with a asset like that i was just stating how the real works though to there demise.