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War mechanics in EVE seems meaningless...

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#41 - 2013-11-30 18:34:46 UTC
Mysttina wrote:
This will be pointless though since both target and aggressor can keep deccing and running for free. Thus why I think any wardec should have associated cost.

But the target can already run for free.

Oh god.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#42 - 2013-11-30 18:40:10 UTC
I think you are right about wars being shallow. Economic warfare like blockades etc are not implemented nor the ability to use orbital strikes on PI buildings. There is no ability to declare war on individuals in npc corps or affect players/corporations using the market.

I believe future features that affect high sec like the new mobile depots are the kinds of things that future eve warfare will be based on. Some more factional warfare effects should also be made on high sec.
Kallen Kozukie
Channel Six News
#43 - 2013-11-30 18:42:10 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
can we get something to clean up corp histories when i have to jump corp every 23hrs due to free wardecs?

thanks.


This, everyone claiming that high sec needs more pvp is insane, go play in low, null or wh space. all you want is easy acess to high value targets, let's call a spade a spade here.
Mysttina
Alpha Spectres
#44 - 2013-11-30 18:43:55 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Mysttina wrote:
This will be pointless though since both target and aggressor can keep deccing and running for free. Thus why I think any wardec should have associated cost.

But the target can already run for free.


Yup, assuming the corp does not have any assets, rented offices, POS, POCOs, etc.
If it does, then leaving corp to escape wardec is not free. Then it's not fair for this corp right, since they can be wardecced for free, yet they are the one where war might actually matter. Blink
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#45 - 2013-11-30 18:45:00 UTC
Kallen Kozukie wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
can we get something to clean up corp histories when i have to jump corp every 23hrs due to free wardecs?

thanks.


This, everyone claiming that high sec needs more pvp is insane, go play in low, null or wh space. all you want is easy acess to high value targets, let's call a spade a spade here.

And what's wrong with that?

Oh god.
Kallen Kozukie
Channel Six News
#46 - 2013-11-30 18:49:17 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Kallen Kozukie wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
can we get something to clean up corp histories when i have to jump corp every 23hrs due to free wardecs?

thanks.


This, everyone claiming that high sec needs more pvp is insane, go play in low, null or wh space. all you want is easy acess to high value targets, let's call a spade a spade here.

And what's wrong with that?


PVP should be about the thrill of the fight,

There is no fight in ganking miners or officer fit battleships that are mission running, REAL pvp you actually stand to lose something, against opponents of equal or greater strength. But then, i wouldnt expect someone from CODE. to understand that, there is no honor or thrill in "rofl look at my padded kb stats"
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-11-30 18:49:22 UTC
I don't really get the obsession, myself. there's any number of nooblets in fw who don't seem to get that there's more than one LP store in high sec or that warping to 0 on a high traffic gate in low sec in a frigate might end badly.

forums.  serious business.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#48 - 2013-11-30 18:52:55 UTC
Kallen Kozukie wrote:
There is no fight in ganking miners or officer fit battleships that are mission running, REAL pvp you actually stand to lose something, against opponents of equal or greater strength. But then, i wouldnt expect someone from CODE. to understand that, there is no honor or thrill in "rofl look at my padded kb stats"

Why would I need a wardec to do those things?

Oh god.
Kallen Kozukie
Channel Six News
#49 - 2013-11-30 19:00:25 UTC
You wouldn't, unless you were trying to do it without losing a whole bunch of destroyers.

The point here is its easy enough to fit up a cheapo dessie and do it anyway, wardec or not, so WHY should it be free to dec then? its already practically free to gank.

Any way you look at it, high sec warfare will never be what everyone wants, that is the nature of conflicting interests.

Free wardecs are simply a bad idea, it makes an already bad situation worse.
Movash
Circinaen Order
#50 - 2013-11-30 21:12:19 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Movash wrote:
As a practical matter you have to preserve highsec for newbies and casual players. Since you now have corps that seem to only exist to declare war against every highsec corp or alliance out there, just because they can, it's really just an exploit to bypass Concord. The casual player has to decide whether they give up gameplay time, give up their corp, or risk being robbed for playing the game. The actual war beyond the mechanic is meaningless. I think that's why some of the more aggressive corps have been declaring wars saying all the proceeds are going to PLEX for GOOD, "because everyone has to do their part" whether they want to do so voluntarily or not I guess. Of course, you don't buy a flotilla of Legions by giving away all your loot, but I'm sure that's just part of the operating costs for running their "charity."


Suck it up, you sound butthurt.

I agree with 30% tax for NPC corp. Other than that wardecs are fine and working fine imho.

The vast majority of corps you claim start wars "just because they can" are doing it for one of the following reasons :

○ It's fun to hunt and shoot things, yes even in hisec. Occasionally just so the newbies can practice on you.
○ They think they might get some ISK out of it.
○ Someone or something about your corp irritated them somehow, you just don't know what.

All of these are legitimate reasons to dec a corp, if it seems somehow unfair to you it's likely because you don't have the minerals to defend yourself.


I've been playing over two years, thanks, so I think I understand how the game works. However, I think you just made my point. I didn't come up with the Orwellian "war is charity" meme that war griefers are using as their paper thin justification for war, I'm just calling out that it's a meaningless grab in highsec for "fun and profit," which is exactly what you said. BTW, I can read a kill log, if someone's favorite prey is "pod" it's safe to say that practice isn't their main motivation.

I know you may not understand it, but some of us feel sorry for people who get victimized because they don't have the resources to defend themselves.
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#51 - 2013-11-30 21:17:37 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Wars make me ISK.

Either from those that hire me or those that pay to go away.

I don't think that is shallow. It is doing exactly what I need it to do.... Make me ISK.

On another note you are 3 days old and have never been in a corp. So either your an alt and therefore irrelevant or you are 3 days old and prolly need to experience the cries in wars for yourself before suggesting changes on something you have never been a part of.

On another note... Wars can already be ended by offering a surrender fee, either from the attacking force who bit off more then they can chew or from the victims who would rather pay then loose more ships and corp members.



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#52 - 2013-11-30 23:52:45 UTC
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