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War mechanics in EVE seems meaningless...

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#21 - 2013-11-30 15:54:12 UTC
Mystraena wrote:
also allow the target more option to get out of one ( e.g I think now it's possible to keep the war going on and on even though there is no actual battle ).

No, I think this is a really bad idea. I think it should be a lot harder to get out of one. After all, it's costing players money to go to war and a defender can just get out of it by leaving their corp. That's really imbalanced, they should either have to pay the cost of the war dec to be allowed to leave a corp or war decs should be made free.

Oh god.
Mysttina
Alpha Spectres
#22 - 2013-11-30 16:06:35 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Mystraena wrote:
also allow the target more option to get out of one ( e.g I think now it's possible to keep the war going on and on even though there is no actual battle ).

No, I think this is a really bad idea. I think it should be a lot harder to get out of one. After all, it's costing players money to go to war and a defender can just get out of it by leaving their corp. That's really imbalanced, they should either have to pay the cost of the war dec to be allowed to leave a corp or war decs should be made free.


I think what she meant is allowing more options to get away from war, the options doesn't have to be cheap and/or easy.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#23 - 2013-11-30 16:23:27 UTC
Hm, I think I prefer the idea of free wardecs. Maybe not the ability to wardec everyone at once for free, but maybe one free active wardec and then a payment for every wardec above that number.

Oh god.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-11-30 16:23:31 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Mystraena wrote:
also allow the target more option to get out of one ( e.g I think now it's possible to keep the war going on and on even though there is no actual battle ).

No, I think this is a really bad idea. I think it should be a lot harder to get out of one. After all, it's costing players money to go to war and a defender can just get out of it by leaving their corp. That's really imbalanced, they should either have to pay the cost of the war dec to be allowed to leave a corp or war decs should be made free.


well done you won. they left the corp, the entity you attacked, remember?

what exactly were you fighting over/for again?

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#25 - 2013-11-30 16:25:00 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
what exactly were you fighting over/for again?

PvP.

Oh god.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-11-30 16:51:49 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
what exactly were you fighting over/for again?

PvP.


yes but the mechanic is corp vs corp etc.

so it's all a bit silly really!

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#27 - 2013-11-30 16:53:21 UTC
What we need is better access to non-consensual PvP in high sec.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-11-30 17:02:55 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
What we need is better access to non-consensual PvP in high sec.


hey if you elected to herd cats, don't complain when they jump onto the ceiling.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#29 - 2013-11-30 17:12:14 UTC
???????????

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Mysttina
Alpha Spectres
#30 - 2013-11-30 17:12:55 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Hm, I think I prefer the idea of free wardecs. Maybe not the ability to wardec everyone at once for free, but maybe one free active wardec and then a payment for every wardec above that number.


Sure, why not. But then allow any corp to cancel one active wardec for free as well. Check and balance Big smile
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#31 - 2013-11-30 17:14:27 UTC
Mysttina wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Hm, I think I prefer the idea of free wardecs. Maybe not the ability to wardec everyone at once for free, but maybe one free active wardec and then a payment for every wardec above that number.


Sure, why not. But then allow any corp to cancel one active wardec for free as well. Check and balance Big smile

What would be the point? They'd just activate the war dec again. There's no sense in that.

Oh god.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#32 - 2013-11-30 17:16:02 UTC
Mystraena wrote:
Hi all,

Firstly, I am quite new to the game, so if I am mistaken please do correct me. Don't burn me in flames. Big smile

Ok, back to the topic. From what I read, currently the war mechanics in Eve is quite shallow. If anything, war dec is just basically 'turning off Concorde relatialiation', and 'keeping track of stats of how much ISK damage done'

There is no real in-game mechanics as of how the war suppose to end, and while corp diplomats might be able to negotiate on how to end the wars there is no way to enforce them. And the war also seems to drag un-needlessly to 1 week cycle even though both side agreed to end it.

My suggestions is hopefully for CCP to revamp and expand the war declaration mechanics more, so that certain conditions can be set as to end the wars when it is met. Example of conditions is war target pay certain amount to the aggressor, or suffer certain amount of ISK damage.

There are much advantages to having these mechanics :-

1 ) Wars can be used for profit making more efficiently. Demand can be made, and the target also more confident to submit to those demand since it's guaranteed by game mechanics.

2 ) War now tend to drag on and on without much meaning. Now wars can be waged more often with more purpose.

3 ) Wars is legal by empire laws. More wars means more conflicts in high-sec! . Oh, please make it possible to wardec the NPC corps as well.


What do you guys think ? Appreciate your thought on this.
And sorry my bad English, not my first language P

Oh, btw I have posted the same thing in Features & Suggestion



Like the part of wardecking NPC corp. Wonder how many wardecks CCP would get in first day. Then again, wardecking NPC corp means you are going after thousands of players and you will loose, so intact none would risk that. Not even Goons are that nuts.

Btw. Theres been these suggestions before and CCP didint see need to change how wars work. So were stuck with this for next 10 years probably. Even if CCP is laying play field as massive Empries vs Capsuleer confrontation...

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-11-30 17:30:34 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
???????????


cat herding, trying to control the uncontrollable.

tell me how you make players undock, do you say things about their mother in local?

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#34 - 2013-11-30 17:39:14 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
???????????


cat herding, trying to control the uncontrollable.

tell me how you make players undock, do you say things about their mother in local?


No, you wait until they undock and then you sneak up on them.

Oh god.
Mysttina
Alpha Spectres
#35 - 2013-11-30 17:44:54 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Mysttina wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Hm, I think I prefer the idea of free wardecs. Maybe not the ability to wardec everyone at once for free, but maybe one free active wardec and then a payment for every wardec above that number.


Sure, why not. But then allow any corp to cancel one active wardec for free as well. Check and balance Big smile

What would be the point? They'd just activate the war dec again. There's no sense in that.


Yeah, but the next dec is no longer free \o/
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#36 - 2013-11-30 17:51:54 UTC
Maybe you should read it again.

Oh god.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#37 - 2013-11-30 18:03:42 UTC
At least Rubicon's hisec POCO stuff gave hisec players some more more tangable objectives outside POS and mercenary oppurtunities. I might have agreed if wardecs would not affect gameplay so strongly. Because they shake up the rules of engagement, they have quite some impact on the daily operation of a group effort and that's usefull to a lot of people.
Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-11-30 18:18:30 UTC
ITT , EVE players ask : War, what is it good for?
Kate stark
#39 - 2013-11-30 18:19:34 UTC
can we get something to clean up corp histories when i have to jump corp every 23hrs due to free wardecs?

thanks.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Mysttina
Alpha Spectres
#40 - 2013-11-30 18:26:28 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Maybe you should read it again.


What I meant is, if you can have 1 active wardec for free, then the target should also have option to freely cancel one active wardec. Only then it is fair.

In case the aggressor has no other wardec going on and same with the target, of course still free to the aggressor. This will be pointless though since both target and aggressor can keep deccing and running for free. Thus why I think any wardec should have associated cost.
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