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Corporation Security?

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Skittles Aldent
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#1 - 2011-10-01 23:26:19 UTC
How do you keep your corporation assets as well as your members assets secure in wormhole space?

Due to the lack of customization when it comes to assigning people roles and the ability to see one tab in all the hanger arrays, rather than just the tab within that one hanger array how do many corporations keep their backsides safe from corporate thieves?

How do you keep ships secure in the SMA when you do not have the ability to section it off line the CHA's are.

We have encountered our first corporate thief and are curious how many of the other corporations set up various roles within a WH.

When will CCP be changing the system to avoid issues like this?

Corporate Thieves.

We need the ability to assign certain people to certain Corporate Hanger Array Tabs, currently you can assign a role to someone, which locks them to one Hanger Tab, but it also lets them access that same tab, in separate hanger arrays.

You also need to implement the same concept for Ship Maintenance Arrays - The CHA's have the right idea, but now we need tabs in the SMA's as well.

Also why is there a 24 hour timer preventing me from kicking this stupid thief?
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2011-10-02 00:08:23 UTC
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When will CCP be changing this the system to avoid issues like this?


Unlikely. Aside from changing this system requiring a total reworking of the corp roles system (which we've been begging for and not getting for ages), the risk of corp theft is and has always been a part of any cooperative venture in EVE. There are ways to minimize that risk, of course, but I don't ever see it being removed.

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How do you keep your corporation assets as well as your members assets secure in [w-space]?

Due to the lack of customization when it comes to assigning people roles and the ability to see one tab in all the hanger arrays, rather than just the tab within that one hanger array how do many corporations keep their backsides safe from corporate thieves?


1, only let each person see the 1 hangar they are assigned to. i.e., out of the 7 tabs, if I'm assigned to hangar #3, I shouldn't be able to see hangars #1 and #2 as well.

2, make sure it is quite apparent to everyone involved that anything they put in their hangar is subject to risk of theft - frankly, there's only a limited set of modules you need to grind wormholes; don't have your members drag every item they own into the hangars and then complain when their entire stash goes missing.

3, really important stuff needn't be stored in hangars - have someone bring out a few dozen Giant Secure Containers and issue a few to each member; really expensive things can be dumped into the container, and the container at a safespot somewhere in system. Provided they don't go AFK at the safespot, their stuff shouldn't ever be findable.

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How do you keep ships secure in the SMA when you do not have the ability to section it off line the CHA's are.


1, dual SMAs, one of which has a higher access requirement - 1 may be for members whose loyalty you're sure of, or maybe have the option for younger members to request especially valuable ships to be stored there, with only officers or the CEO able to get it out again (good if you have enough people to make sure they don't get stuck in there).

2, log out in your most valuable ship - whether a Harbinger or Machariel, it can't be stolen from you if you're in it.


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Also why is there a 24 hour timer preventing me from kicking this stupid thief?


Removal of corp roles - whether a parting on good terms, ejection due to theft/betrayal, or a simple clearing of inactive members - always takes 24 hours; before you complain about it, consider how open to abuse a system allowing for immediate bootings would be.
Skittles Aldent
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#3 - 2011-10-02 00:14:00 UTC
Thanks for the help!

The only issue with what you are saying, is you are assigned to hanger tab #3 which means you can see that same tab in every Corporate Hanger Array your corporation has, not just the one you happen to be using. Which is where the problems arise. If we had a system letting you use Corporate Hanger Array #1 and then have you assigned to slot 3 that would be great. but we dont.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-03 17:14:19 UTC
This issue comes with living in W-space (or nullsec). But there is also a thing called Trust. I trust my ships to the SMA and stuff in the CHA as I know about 99% of my corp members.

And theft / betrayal is just a part of EVE that makes EVE more fun / better then (let's go back to kick Blizzard) WoW.
Thefts can be minimized by having strict conditions on recruiting and granting roles.

Maybe an idea, new members use tab 1 of the CHAs, the more trusted a member is the higher the tab he uses.

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Skittles Aldent
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#5 - 2011-10-06 20:45:59 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
This issue comes with living in W-space (or nullsec). But there is also a thing called Trust. I trust my ships to the SMA and stuff in the CHA as I know about 99% of my corp members.

And theft / betrayal is just a part of EVE that makes EVE more fun / better then (let's go back to kick Blizzard) WoW.
Thefts can be minimized by having strict conditions on recruiting and granting roles.

Maybe an idea, new members use tab 1 of the CHAs, the more trusted a member is the higher the tab he uses.

J'poll


That is how I had it set up. Newer members had access to the low slots, while the older trusted members had normal access to all the tabs.

The member that took stuff, took stuff from the few slots he was able to access.

The biggest thing is he was able to get a ship that was expensive.
rachann
Mine and More Ind
#6 - 2011-10-21 23:19:59 UTC
Having just suffered at the hands of a corporate thief there is one thing that is very obvious, the game is stacked in the favour of the criminal and encourages crime.

As the CEO I can see the items in the thief's hanger, he is still a member of the corp (but not for long) and there is nothing I can do about it.

I am very pissed off the eve at the moment.
Skittles Aldent
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#7 - 2011-11-20 07:45:06 UTC
rachann wrote:
Having just suffered at the hands of a corporate thief there is one thing that is very obvious, the game is stacked in the favour of the criminal and encourages crime.

As the CEO I can see the items in the thief's hanger, he is still a member of the corp (but not for long) and there is nothing I can do about it.

I am very pissed off the eve at the moment.


Take the stuff back out of his hanger?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-20 10:19:14 UTC
Skittles Aldent wrote:
rachann wrote:
Having just suffered at the hands of a corporate thief there is one thing that is very obvious, the game is stacked in the favour of the criminal and encourages crime.

As the CEO I can see the items in the thief's hanger, he is still a member of the corp (but not for long) and there is nothing I can do about it.

I am very pissed off the eve at the moment.


Take the stuff back out of his hanger?


You can't take stuff out of his personal hangar. As CEO/Director/security officer you can see what is inside peoples hangars and you can drop stuff IN them if you want. but can't take anything out of it, just imagine the trouble this will give to people, logging in to find your carrier and all related stuff gone.

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Skittles Aldent
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#9 - 2011-11-20 10:26:06 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Skittles Aldent wrote:
rachann wrote:
Having just suffered at the hands of a corporate thief there is one thing that is very obvious, the game is stacked in the favour of the criminal and encourages crime.

As the CEO I can see the items in the thief's hanger, he is still a member of the corp (but not for long) and there is nothing I can do about it.

I am very pissed off the eve at the moment.


Take the stuff back out of his hanger?


You can't take stuff out of his personal hangar. As CEO/Director/security officer you can see what is inside peoples hangars and you can drop stuff IN them if you want. but can't take anything out of it, just imagine the trouble this will give to people, logging in to find your carrier and all related stuff gone.


Sorry I misunderstood what you meant, I thought you meant in the Corp Hangers.

I wasn't aware as the CEO or Director you could do this? That might be handy to have, care to explain how that works?
Ranger64511
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-21 05:50:12 UTC
What he is referring to is only possible in-stations. Not POS Structures. At the bottom it says members hangers and from there if they have assets in said station you can drag and drop it into their hanger. Then they will have those items and you cannot give them back.

If you want to keep things secure have 1 hanger tab for CEO/Directors only and keep the expensive stuff there.

Another security measure is to run background checks on your incoming pilots as well as don't allow them access to anything for awhile.

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