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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-11-20 22:08:39 UTC
Removing local is probably the most stupid idea ever.

If you remove local, people won't be able to find fights. The fact that local is used as the sole intel tool is the problem, not that local exists. Not only that, but in order to engage in pvp, it will require MORE WORK. If they decide to remove it, there better be a much better system in place to help find fights and alert people of who's around first.

People who campaign for this "no local, switch to w-space style local" seem to think that this will turn space into a PvP paradise. They're wrong as it will only make it easier to gank people, not engage in combat. Combat will be less and the game will be even slower pace than it is now.

Not to mention that in k-space, you can warp cloaked and light a cyno. The ability to do these two things makes a system without local imbalanced.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-11-20 22:25:29 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Not to mention that in k-space, you can warp cloaked and light a cyno. The ability to do these two things makes a system without local imbalanced.


You can light cynos in w-space, although you won't have anything jumping to it :v

But yes, you're right, delayed local in nullsec is dumb

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-11-20 22:26:10 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Delayed/removed local is not good for causal fun fast PVP


This.

It's already incredibly difficult to find someone to fight and messing with the local channel would only make this even more difficult. There would be so much pointless directional scanning even when there's nobody there to scan.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#24 - 2011-11-21 00:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Titania Hrothgar
Where do people fight solo? I never see it. Anytime I venture into low sec I see groups of pirates charging in to gank anyone who pops up on low sec. It's like a ravenous feeding frenzy. They rush in for that two seconds of thrill and then go back to their endless watching of local.

Too hard to find a fight? Patrol. Form fleets and start wars.

Also I find it impossible to believe that people can't find fights. Today a group of pirates came into Abdabun and suicide ganked several mining barges. Over and over they brought in Thrashers and laid waste to everyone. Not only that, but gate camping happens far too often at Amake. (please excuse me if I spelled those systems wrong) So I don't buy that a fight cannot be found unless they have local.

Local is too powerful a tool and it makes no sense to have. And by your reasoning, it seems that pirates simply want kills handed to them on a platter. I don't mind being killed. I don't mind a good pvp. I just don't think that I should have to send communications to all the pirates alerting them that I'm going to cut through their space. I don't think I owe it to them.

I do venture into low sec occasionally.... when I need to. You know, at 5am on a weekday morning. Without local I could do so more often.

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THXBYE
Elite War Squad
#25 - 2011-11-21 00:19:21 UTC
No because that way I cant run away from evil people when Im ratting.

So no.

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Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#26 - 2011-11-21 03:31:53 UTC
At the very least then the option for "Show Info" should be removed. If someone wants to see me standing, rank, corporation, description, and everything else that it shows, they should come and find me.... if they can.

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The Offerer
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-21 05:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: The Offerer
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
I am fairly new to this game still... out of the almost 12 months, I've only played a couple of them.

One thing I don't like about this game is the Local channel. I wish it worked like the Corp channel does.

In Corp, only those who speak show up in the little list. Out of a hundred and 15 in my corp, I at most see 4 names.

In Local, the moment someone warps into the sector I see their name, portrait, and the number of people in Local goes up. Isn't there any way to maintain radio silence? What if I wish to venture through low sec without having my radio on? Everyone knows to use Local to know RIGHT when someone warps in or out. Without even having any scanning skills what so ever I know immediately how many ships are in any sector and the names of all the pilots.

I think Low Sec would be MUCH better and enjoyable if not only GOOD people could sneak in and out, but if PIRATES could as well. It would also be more realistic.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Some will like it and some won't. Don't really care either way. It won't change how I feel :)

There is a place called Wormhole Space. If you like no-local, you have an option to live there. I hear the ISK and PvP is pretty good there as well (for those who like PvP-ing and making ISK without local).

Current lowsec and 0.0 local is another option for players that like to play it the other way.

Btw. being a new player in this game, as you said, leads to the conclusion that you don't see all the implications on the game if this gets changed.
Amro One
One.
#28 - 2011-11-21 05:55:01 UTC
Then OP will come on about how hes always getting ganked and not knowing whos in system and CCP need to make some thing that tells you because cloakers are evil ppl.

moron.

Bring Back WiS, then who cares about undocking. I can mine shot glasses.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#29 - 2011-11-21 13:47:59 UTC
Amro One wrote:
Then OP will come on about how hes always getting ganked and not knowing whos in system and CCP need to make some thing that tells you because cloakers are evil ppl.

moron.

Bring Back WiS, then who cares about undocking. I can mine shot glasses.


Wrong.

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#30 - 2011-11-21 14:09:28 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Removing local is probably the most stupid idea ever.

If you remove local, people won't be able to find fights.


Yeah, this explains perfectly why there hasn't been a single fight in wormhole space yet. We can't find anyone to fight, at all. There's absolutely no tool available to help us probe out where enemy ships are, or to even directionally scan a heading and distance and use a little intelligence to gleam where they may be discretely.

Oh the inhumanity!

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#31 - 2011-11-21 14:11:48 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Do NOT remove or delay local. It will cause nullsec to become a wasteland where only the biggest alliances play (And rarely actually fight because they have more than enough territory to charge extreme prices to defend)


*looks at wspace*

*looks at the non-existent wasteland*

*laughs at madbear*
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-11-21 15:22:44 UTC
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
I am fairly new to this game still... out of the almost 12 months, I've only played a couple of them.

One thing I don't like about this game is the Local channel. I wish it worked like the Corp channel does.

In Corp, only those who speak show up in the little list. Out of a hundred and 15 in my corp, I at most see 4 names.

In Local, the moment someone warps into the sector I see their name, portrait, and the number of people in Local goes up. Isn't there any way to maintain radio silence? What if I wish to venture through low sec without having my radio on? Everyone knows to use Local to know RIGHT when someone warps in or out. Without even having any scanning skills what so ever I know immediately how many ships are in any sector and the names of all the pilots.

I think Low Sec would be MUCH better and enjoyable if not only GOOD people could sneak in and out, but if PIRATES could as well. It would also be more realistic.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Some will like it and some won't. Don't really care either way. It won't change how I feel :)



0/10. If you don't like local you have a very simple solution. Go live in a wormhole.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#33 - 2011-11-21 15:48:22 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Delayed/removed local is not good for causal fun fast PVP


This.

It's already incredibly difficult to find someone to fight and messing with the local channel would only make this even more difficult. There would be so much pointless directional scanning even when there's nobody there to scan.


This

"Nerf local!" is brought up over and over by people who do not do solo/small scale pvp, and it is rejected again and again by the players who do.


Wormholes get less than half the pvp per person than null or low sec.

If you think no local is so great you have an option. Go to wormholes. But don't take away the options for those of us who like frequent quality small scale pvp.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-11-21 16:52:35 UTC
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Yes, they do say that quite often :) I have heard dumb people say that many times.

I went ahead and fixed your quoting error. Dumb people mess up quoting a lot.



Well ... for whatever reason the quote went wrong,
it was beyond my control.

And, to make it even worse for you,
you have no clue about what dumb people really do,
because else you would realize yourself.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-21 17:00:39 UTC
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Where do people fight solo? I never see it. Anytime I venture into low sec I see groups of pirates charging in to gank anyone who pops up on low sec. It's like a ravenous feeding frenzy. They rush in for that two seconds of thrill and then go back to their endless watching of local.

Too hard to find a fight? Patrol. Form fleets and start wars.

Also I find it impossible to believe that people can't find fights. Today a group of pirates came into Abdabun and suicide ganked several mining barges. Over and over they brought in Thrashers and laid waste to everyone. Not only that, but gate camping happens far too often at Amake. (please excuse me if I spelled those systems wrong) So I don't buy that a fight cannot be found unless they have local.

Local is too powerful a tool and it makes no sense to have. And by your reasoning, it seems that pirates simply want kills handed to them on a platter. I don't mind being killed. I don't mind a good pvp. I just don't think that I should have to send communications to all the pirates alerting them that I'm going to cut through their space. I don't think I owe it to them.

I do venture into low sec occasionally.... when I need to. You know, at 5am on a weekday morning. Without local I could do so more often.


Speaking for myself here, I have zero interest in fleet warfare or thrasher fights in highsec. You never see any solo pvp because you dont go deep enough into lowsec and because it's already so goddamn hard to find solo fights.
Those few solo fights happen in the quiet lowsec systems behind the backs of the blobs.
As for good solo fights, well, those barely even happen anymore. If local goes those fights wont happen at all anymore. You'll just have seemingly lone cruisers sitting in belts and as soon as you engage his corp/alliance mates warp in from a safe outside your scan range.

Changing local would simply hurt pvp too much.
If you're too scared of the pvp in lowsec, stay out.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#36 - 2011-11-21 17:28:52 UTC
working as intended. go play in a wormhole if you want delayed local.
Ranger64511
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-11-21 17:40:36 UTC
So close local and ignore it.... Man that must be difficult...

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Keno Skir
#38 - 2011-11-21 17:47:57 UTC
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Anyway, that's my opinion. Some will like it and some won't. Don't really care either way. It won't change how I feel :)


I have my opinion, i don't care what other say,
i don't care about reasoning,
i don't care if i didn't think this through,
i don't care that i have no clue about what's REALLY happening,
i just have my opinion and my opinion is right.


That's what dumb people say quite often.


Yes, they do say that quite often :) I have heard dumb people say that many times.

I went ahead and fixed your quoting error. Dumb people mess up quoting a lot.


The word "Dumb" indicates an inability to speak, not a lack of intelligence. You both need to learn the language before you call anyone dumb.

Secondly, you are propelled across vast stretches of space with a massive hightech jumpgate the size of a small european country. Does it not seem reasonable that the company running the gates would keep a log of who uses their equipment and when? Local makes perfect sense unless you found your own way into a system without the use of a jumpgate. Black ops portals should allow you to avoid local, but normal local list makes perfect sense to me.

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TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-11-21 19:50:38 UTC
I think they should remove local from hs.

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#40 - 2011-11-22 12:07:50 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
Yes, they do say that quite often :) I have heard dumb people say that many times.

I went ahead and fixed your quoting error. Dumb people mess up quoting a lot.



Well ... for whatever reason the quote went wrong,
it was beyond my control.

And, to make it even worse for you,
you have no clue about what dumb people really do,
because else you would realize yourself.


Quoting is not beyond your control. It took me 2 seconds to fix it for you. It's called BB Code and it stands for Bulletin Board Code. You backspaced over the closing bracket in the quote command. It was very much your fault that it broke.

You're an idiot. You bring nothing to the post but to say that I'm an idiot for suggesting something related to an opinion I have on the mechanics of this game. That's being an idiot. You sir are an idiot. It doesn't matter that you apparently disagree with me. It's okay to disagree with me. Many people who disagree with me are not idiots, but to disagree and respond in the manner in which you did indeed makes you an idiot.

And saying that the mistake in your post was beyond your control was just the icing on the cake.

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
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