Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So we all know the phoenix doesn't quite stack up to the other dreads. And the big question is, what can be changed to bring it in line with the others? The big problem is with missile mechanics. If you buff the damage application of the weapons too much it infringes on sub-cap warfare.

My idea. Give the phoenix a new/different role.

Give Citadel missiles/torpedoes an AOE damage profile similar to bombs but of course not as large of an area. This would be a good way to reduce blobbing of large ships. It would be especially effective on slow cats which it seems that many people believe need a better counter.

Of course this would also buff the Leviathan.

What do you guys think?

And when you do think about it, of course the damage would be subject to balancing. That way it's not just an AOE Blaster Moros. You'll need to land hits on multiple targets to bring the damage up to Blaster Moros levels, but how many targets would be up for debate.

Nags, Revs, and Moros(s?) can hit a carrier that is aligning. Phoenix should be able to as well.

Phoenix is the best platform to mount capital-sized firework launchers on.

+1

They will have to trade tank for better damage application, also stacking penalties on modules/rigs would prevent their abuse. Tracking dreads already do that, why missile ones cant?

Missile damage application can use some buffing without breaking the game. Trust me.

Regardless of the implications of having Missile application modules, do you really think that is all you'd need to bring a Phoenix up to the level of the other dreads? This thread is an idea to fix the Phoenix. Currently without any Damage application modules a Turret Dread is still viable, however a Phoenix is not. Should the viability of the Phoenix be reliant on damage application mods assuming that they can actually make up for the severe lack of application of the basic Phoenix hull?


Instead of trusting you, you could come up with a valid and convincing argument. Currently with missiles a larger system will still do damage to a smaller ship hull regardless of conditions. If you're in a frigate orbiting a Turret BC at 500-1000m you're going to be pretty much safe except for the very rare stray hit. On the other hand if you're orbiting a Missile BC at 500-1000m it doesn't matter you still take the same damage as if you're at the edge of their missile range. Increasing that damage does not add anything to the game as it is now.

You can also argue that instead of having Missile application modules, you are given a new weapon system that has much greater affect on smaller ships. So instead of having to give up tank for application, you give up damage sustainability for application. If Missiles get application mods then i guess turrets should get the equivalent to the rapid launchers right?

But anyways, other than damage application modules. Do you think this would be a good way to breathe life into the Phoenix? A new role on the battlefield....

This is the problem that Fozzie obliquely referred to in a recent post. It's a lot harder to get the Phoenix to do the blap thing than a turret dread, but once you do do it - Rigours, Crash, linked bonused painters, a 90% web... - there is simply no escape for the target. For example, use Rigours and Crash to take citadel torp explosion radius to 612 m, then use four painters to give a 5.4 sig bloom factor, and suddenly you're able to apply 140k volleys to something of base sig 110 m, once you've webbed it to 30 m/s.

Now, I'm not aware of anyone actually doing this on TQ, and once you've got this level of tackle support it's probably a lot easier to blap things using a turret dread anyway. So I think the fear of the unavoidable blap Phoenix is overstated. It certainly shouldn't get in the way of making the Phoenix usable as an anticapital platform, rather than being worse than even the Revelation.

So based on the comments, i can assume that everyone just wants more of the same **** and nothing new.

Very interesting.