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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#481 - 2013-11-29 22:23:33 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So we're still whining that our solo elite peeveepee ships can't fulfill every single role at once, and that ratters actually have options now.


I fought a Harby with my Ishkur the other day. I lost because he had dual webs.

I DEMAND webs and Harbies be nerfed IMMEDIATELY!!

/sarcasm

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#482 - 2013-11-29 22:29:05 UTC
I felt a lot better about this thread when I was posting Backstreet Boys lyrics.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#483 - 2013-11-29 22:40:21 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I felt a lot better about this thread when I was posting Backstreet Boys lyrics.


Gotta question for you better answer now, yeah

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#484 - 2013-11-29 23:07:06 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So we're still whining that our solo elite peeveepee ships can't fulfill every single role at once, and that ratters actually have options now.


I fought a Harby with my Ishkur the other day. I lost because he had dual webs.

I DEMAND webs and Harbies be nerfed IMMEDIATELY!!

/sarcasm


lol, Don't be asking CCP to "Infinity Ziona" webs and Harbies! They'll be too busy "Infinity Zionaing" local, cloaks, SOV, POCOs, reinforcement timers and mobile depots for them to worry about "Infinity Zionaing" webs and harbies.

BTW, "Infinity Zioniaing" = "change this because it doesn't let me kill the things I want to"!

Big smile
Contresquito Resquilanado
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#485 - 2013-11-29 23:28:28 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You don't look for fair fights here, You look for advantages. Wrong game for you I think.


That is all I have to say here. As it is, no one is discussing the actual topic. It has become theoretical "What if..." When you can find an Apoc that will remove all of his tank to fit WCS's while being tackled and shot at... Those Cynabals you spoke of really should be on field by then. You still haven't answered everyone's burning inquisition into what is wrong with bumping a battleship that still hasn't locked you with your speed Interceptor. Even IF he has SeBo's with Scan Res to take down his lock time... Once you bump him away from the MD, he loses his refitting ability. Once he loses it, he has to hope he put on what he needed.

The original post was not about a perfectly set up Apoc that was getting gang-slapped. It was about a Raven that dropped a MD and refit. As much as you want to fight it... The Raven outsmarted the OP. That is all there is to say. He also never indicated that the Raven even fought back, so your belief that someone is going to refit to ECM or Neuts or Drones... Well as someone said, we should stay on the topic... He didn't do that. He fit WCS's and warped off while the OP was (probably auto) orbiting him thinking he had a free kill.

Again... You said it best..

Infinity Ziona wrote:
You don't look for fair fights here, You look for advantages. Wrong game for you I think.
ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#486 - 2013-11-30 23:55:56 UTC
Personal attack post removed.

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Ravan Hekki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#487 - 2013-12-01 01:20:48 UTC
@OP you actually live in a WH?
Gray Spike
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#488 - 2013-12-01 09:22:48 UTC
did not read whole threat.

I have to say, awesome job there Raven player. :D
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#489 - 2013-12-02 08:35:32 UTC
Part 2, IZ tries to convince us that battleships should be able to lock frigates as fast as frigates can lock battleships.
http://eve-live.com/talk/183159020

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#490 - 2013-12-02 09:15:12 UTC
Sometimes I wish I could turn back time,
Impossible as it may seem
But I wish I could so bad, baby
You better quit playin' games with my depot

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#491 - 2013-12-02 09:24:05 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Sometimes I wish I could turn back time,
Impossible as it may seem
But I wish I could so bad, baby
You better quit playin' games with my depot


If I could turn back time
If I could find a way
I'd take back those shots that hurt your depot
And you'd stay
If I could reach the stars
I'd give them all to you
Then you'd love me, love me
Like you used to do

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#492 - 2013-12-02 10:09:28 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Sometimes I wish I could turn back time,
Impossible as it may seem
But I wish I could so bad, baby
You better quit playin' games with my depot


If I could turn back time
If I could find a way
I'd take back those shots that hurt your depot
And you'd stay
If I could reach the stars
I'd give them all to you
Then you'd love me, love me
Like you used to do


My oh my, do you wanna change your fit?
To have the Depot, baby, tell me why?
My oh my,do you wanna change your fit?
To rule the System, baby, you and I?

Little 'ceptor in a terrible mess
A point all alone, but no mail to present
Dreams of a gank of a tall ratting ship
Runs like a spirit by the local feed

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#493 - 2013-12-02 10:15:29 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


My oh my, do you wanna change your fit?
To have the Depot, baby, tell me why?
My oh my,do you wanna change your fit?
To rule the System, baby, you and I?

Little 'ceptor in a terrible mess
A point all alone, but no mail to present
Dreams of a gank of a tall ratting ship
Runs like a spirit by the local feed


On the street where you live bears talk about their mobile depot
They're made of plastic and paint, donating isk to help a Phillipino
All your life all youve asked whens your CEO gonna talk to you
You were living in another region tryin to get your message through.

No one heard a single word you said.
They should have seen it in your eyes
What was going around your heart.

Ooh, she's a little Taranis.
Daddys girl learned fast
All those things he couldnt say.
Ooh, she's a little Taranis.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#494 - 2013-12-03 02:48:31 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Part 2, IZ tries to convince us that battleships should be able to lock frigates as fast as frigates can lock battleships.
http://eve-live.com/talk/183159020

Please point out where I try to convince anyone of that. I said they need a slight buff.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Andrea Keuvo
Rusty Pricks
#495 - 2013-12-03 05:14:54 UTC
So you are mad that a ship fit for ratting can now refit to avoid or counter the PvP fit ship you are using to try to get an easy kill? Pardon me if I don't have much sympathy. HTFU and find a counter to the depots
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#496 - 2013-12-03 05:54:06 UTC
Andrea Keuvo wrote:
So you are mad that a ship fit for ratting can now refit to avoid or counter the PvP fit ship you are using to try to get an easy kill? Pardon me if I don't have much sympathy. HTFU and find a counter to the depots

Exactly. Yes I am. There is no counter to refitting. It takes 2 seconds or less to swap lows for wcs. With the exploit people are using its not even possible to reinforce the stupid things.

If you rat you should HTFU and fit some PvP gear instead of pure ratting, then you don't need to exploit dodgy carebear depots.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#497 - 2013-12-03 06:06:34 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Andrea Keuvo wrote:
So you are mad that a ship fit for ratting can now refit to avoid or counter the PvP fit ship you are using to try to get an easy kill? Pardon me if I don't have much sympathy. HTFU and find a counter to the depots

Exactly. Yes I am. There is no counter to refitting. It takes 2 seconds or less to swap lows for wcs. With the exploit people are using its not even possible to reinforce the stupid things.

If you rat you should HTFU and fit some PvP gear instead of pure ratting, then you don't need to exploit dodgy carebear depots.


Let's talk some real world situations, rather than the incredibly stupid story in the OP.

If you are sneaking up on them with a cloaking device, you get close and drop your own depot, which stops them from dropping one to refit.

If they had a depot dropped ahead of time, then blow it up. Any bomb does the job as best I can tell, even against the expensive depots. If you can't pull that off, then you lose, he was better prepared.

If they are in a mission, and they are not being stupid, they micro jumped 100km away from the warp in point. Not one chance in hell do you get them, depot or no depot.

If you hunt with friends, then there is no issue. Either he saw you in time to run away, or he didn't and he still dies anyway. No change.

And if they see you, drop a depot, wait for 60 seconds, refit and warp away like the story in the OP, then you are a freaking idiot and do not deserve your kill. No one, absolutely no one should be unable to kill that thing before it onlines.

It changes a small number of possible engagements. Most of which weren't possible if they watched their D-scan anyway.

Do I personally think that being able to refit to stabs in combat is a good thing? Not really. Do I hope they change it? Yeah. Will I use it until they do? You betcha. I'm not blind to reality, however. Here is a tip: every time you think to yourself "I shouldn't have to", guess what, you do.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2013-12-03 06:15:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobby Frutt
Why is everyone ignoring what this does to ECM? It's easy to call things balanced when you've figured out strategies (ie: WORK AROUNDS) in your mind to keep things balanced. Work around this:

I setup my 5 x Falcon fleet spread around the gate @ extreme distances each with their own mobile depot
My buddies setup with 5 x DPS fits.
You warp in with 20 players. 20 vs. 10. We should lose, right?
Oh wait, I'm jamming 15 of your 20 players permanently because I refit exactly for the ships on grid.


But hey, you can always MWD 60km out and bump me. All 5 of my guys, at once, away from the depots. So, you know, it's balanced.

Roll

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#499 - 2013-12-03 06:16:37 UTC
you mean multiple depots, because i thought you can't use your friend's depot

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#500 - 2013-12-03 06:57:19 UTC
Bobby Frutt wrote:
Why is everyone ignoring what this does to ECM? It's easy to call things balanced when you've figured out strategies (ie: WORK AROUNDS) in your mind to keep things balanced. Work around this:

I setup my 5 x Falcon fleet spread around the gate @ extreme distances each with their own mobile depot
My buddies setup with 5 x DPS fits.
You warp in with 20 players. 20 vs. 10. We should lose, right?
Oh wait, I'm jamming 15 of your 20 players permanently because I refit exactly for the ships on grid.


But hey, you can always MWD 60km out and bump me. All 5 of my guys, at once, away from the depots. So, you know, it's balanced.

Roll

.

They know its broken. They're carebears, they see a way they can sit immune from PvP in null and the eyes are full of $$ signs. We'll see if they feel the same way the first, second, third ... time they lose a cap ship killmail to this.

Or better still like you said, when PvP'rs start to utilize it to make life misery for them.

You know you can reinforce your own depot, put it in cargo hold and when you deploy it again, even a day later its still not recharged, so it won't reinforce again. So blapping it into reinforced won't work.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)