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A spin off of the martial arts thread... Personal weapons.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2013-11-29 17:30:11 UTC
There is another, if slightly distasteful, scenario. Although softcloning means that we don't have to fear death, there are many, many things that can be done to our body that fall short of death. All of these things hurt and it isn't my experience that many capsuleers have the ability to shut that pain on and off at will. We also have heads full of secrets.

The last round can always be saved for yourself. For those with an extreme dislike of conflict, the last round may, indeed, be the only round fired.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#42 - 2013-11-29 17:36:44 UTC
Good point, Verin.

As for Pieter's last round, I still can't believe there are eggers without proper safeguards in their implants. Compared to a proper set of decent explosive charges in the CNS, a bullet is notoriously unreliable as a self-termination measure. Also, does not offer such delightful prank abilities like yelling "Hey! Watch this!" and promptly cake the walls in grey and rosy goo in front of your attackers.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-11-29 18:07:11 UTC
As anyone who's visited my apartment can attest I collect a gigantic variety of weapons from different cultures, but I'll be completely honest in that apart from the firearms and a couple of Intaki close-combat weapons I'm not proficient with the use of any of them.

One coil-pistol among the collection does have the unique and dubious honour of having been a weapon that was used in a very-nearly-successful attempt to murder me. Verone was nice enough to give it to me as a parting gift after he saved my life.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2013-11-29 18:14:48 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Good point, Verin.

As for Pieter's last round, I still can't believe there are eggers without proper safeguards in their implants. Compared to a proper set of decent explosive charges in the CNS, a bullet is notoriously unreliable as a self-termination measure. Also, does not offer such delightful prank abilities like yelling "Hey! Watch this!" and promptly cake the walls in grey and rosy goo in front of your attackers.


If I had a bomb that blew me up everytime I felt the urge to die, I doubt I'd get through a reading of the IGS without redecorating my office. This would get expensive.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-11-29 19:25:36 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
If there is someone who wants to kill a capsuleer, and they have managed to get you into a position where you need to use either a personal weapon, or 'martial arts' skills, you will already be dead. They will be the sort of person who is paid large amounts of money to kill very hard to kill people.

Whoever hired them will also have to have been the sort of person to pay a very large amount of money to make sure your soft clones all have accidents as well, else there is no point in attacking the capsuleer at all.

Do not put yourself into situations where you could be killed by a random person wielding a gun, or you basically deserve the minor inconvenience that comes to you.


It is not surprising that some stations like CC Jita IV directly shoot on sight non incognito capsuleers, considering that this thread alone gives them all the reasons to do so...
Mitchell Striker
#46 - 2013-11-29 19:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitchell Striker
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

If I had a bomb that blew me up everytime I felt the urge to die, I doubt I'd get through a reading of the IGS without redecorating my office. This would get expensive.


Indeed, and yet you still frequent it. Although masochistic tendencies are fairly common amongst State enforcers, rivalled only by an almost disturbing lack of empathy. The State is nothing if not efficient at instilling a particular mindset amongst its ..loyalists.

I wonder how common cutting is amongst the ranks, perhaps you could lend some insight into that sometime Colonel.

"The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision." - Former President of the Gallente Federation, Arlette Villers.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-11-29 19:43:55 UTC
Mitchell Striker wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

If I had a bomb that blew me up everytime I felt the urge to die, I doubt I'd get through a reading of the IGS without redecorating my office. This would get expensive.


Indeed, and yet you still frequent it. Although masochistic tendencies are fairly common amongst State enforcers, rivalled only by an almost disturbing lack of empathy. The State is nothing if not efficient at instilling a particular mindset amongst its ..loyalists.

I wonder how common cutting is amongst the ranks, perhaps you could lend some insight into that sometime Colonel.


Is this why the Caldari State must be destroyed?

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Mitchell Striker
#48 - 2013-11-29 19:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitchell Striker
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Is this why the Caldari State must be destroyed?


Destroyed? Please Miss Gesakaarin, we no longer live under the rule of the likes of Duvalier. The Federation has only responded to unwarranted aggression and the breaking of treaties by the State.

I and indeed, the Federation in general, wish only to see a peaceful and lasting resolution to this conflict. Perhaps in time we can even aid you as individuals, in overcoming the psychological abuses that have taken so much from you.

As always, we merely extend the hand of freedom, all are welcome within the Federation. We are not conquerors led by dictators.

"The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision." - Former President of the Gallente Federation, Arlette Villers.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#49 - 2013-11-29 19:56:18 UTC
Mitchell Striker wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Is this why the Caldari State must be destroyed?


Destroyed? Please Miss Gesakaarin, we no longer live under the rule of the likes of Duvalier. The Federation has only responded to unwarranted aggression and the breaking of treaties by the State.

I and indeed, the Federation in general, wish only to see a peaceful and lasting resolution to this conflict. Perhaps in time we can even aid you as individuals, in overcoming the psychological abuses that have taken so much from you.

As always, we merely extend the hand of freedom, all are welcome within the Federation. We are not conquerors led by dictators.

You obviously missed the joke here.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2013-11-29 20:01:01 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
Mitchell Striker wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Is this why the Caldari State must be destroyed?


Destroyed? Please Miss Gesakaarin, we no longer live under the rule of the likes of Duvalier. The Federation has only responded to unwarranted aggression and the breaking of treaties by the State.

I and indeed, the Federation in general, wish only to see a peaceful and lasting resolution to this conflict. Perhaps in time we can even aid you as individuals, in overcoming the psychological abuses that have taken so much from you.

As always, we merely extend the hand of freedom, all are welcome within the Federation. We are not conquerors led by dictators.

You obviously missed the joke here.


Probably due to a lack of empathy.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mitchell Striker
#51 - 2013-11-29 20:01:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitchell Striker
Denak Calamari wrote:

You obviously missed the joke here.


Not all of us must be so blunt with how we respond to a bit of humour, Mister Calamari.

And humour can be revealing.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Probably due to a lack of empathy.


I like you Colonel, but I wouldn't joke about that. After all, at least we operate a sizeable aid department for the victims of war. Empathy is at the core of the Federations ideals, this is well known.

The people of Hueromont still aren't laughing.

"The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision." - Former President of the Gallente Federation, Arlette Villers.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2013-11-29 20:18:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Mitchell Striker wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Probably due to a lack of empathy.


I like you Colonel, but I wouldn't joke about that. After all, at least we operate a sizeable aid department for the victims of war. Empathy is at the core of the Federations ideals, this is well known.

The people of Hueromont still aren't laughing.


I refuse to play the game where we summon the shades of our ancestors wronged and try to count them to see who has the most.

As regards your earlier comment, I would only advise you to look deeper than the mask that duty makes a Caldari State Enforcer wear. Whilst compassion can be tracked as it swims through the continuum of our decision making process you will almost never see a sign of it in our expression, our words or our body language. This is how our people desire us to act - as arbiters, making decisions based solely on careful weighing of facts. They would be repulsed by an action that seemed to spring from groundless compassion instead of a considered reaction to their situation.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-11-29 20:19:56 UTC
Mitchell Striker wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Is this why the Caldari State must be destroyed?


Destroyed? Please Miss Gesakaarin, we no longer live under the rule of the likes of Duvalier. The Federation has only responded to unwarranted aggression and the breaking of treaties by the State.

I and indeed, the Federation in general, wish only to see a peaceful and lasting resolution to this conflict. Perhaps in time we can even aid you as individuals, in overcoming the psychological abuses that have taken so much from you.

As always, we merely extend the hand of freedom, all are welcome within the Federation. We are not conquerors led by dictators.


So I make an off-the-cuff remark about you coming off like a walking caricature-stereotype and you proceed to confirm the sentiment.

Good, then.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-11-29 20:29:13 UTC
Some of you seem awfully flippant about suiciding out of pod.

Decanted clones for capsuleers do not transfer consciousness, and do not operate like Dust consciousness transfers.

The instance of your capsuleer infomorph that expires in any last ditch out of pod 'suicide' or accident is gone forever.

Permanent death.

If you leave your pod and meet a beautiful stranger who happens to shoot you in the head, the clone they wake up in a vat somewhere will have no knowledge of the encounter, and might very well meet the same beautiful stranger for the 'first time' another day.

The backup that is awakened in some distant vat might still be "you" in every possible way but you will never know of it, or even know if it worked. The other 'you' will of course go on and do whatever it is 'you' were planning, but it remains a copy, even if a perfect one.

Not a prospect I intend to ever experience.



Sabik now, Sabik forever
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#55 - 2013-11-29 20:42:53 UTC
Very much beats the alternative of not waking up in some distant vat, or worse yet get taken alive or intact. There's frankly nothing much to not be flippant about, given the alternatives.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-11-29 20:52:40 UTC
I would much rather be 'taken alive' and trust in those around me to handle the situation, or at least in the unseemly amount of wealth I'd bestow to those who did.



Sabik now, Sabik forever
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#57 - 2013-11-29 21:02:44 UTC
Silas Vitalia, preferring to put herself in the hands of another, relinquishing control and power rather than losing some time? My my, I didn't think there was anything to you that could surprise me. I can't tell if you have far too much trust in others, or lack the imagination to consider what others might be capable of.

No matter, it's not exactly something that's likely to happen to anyone here.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#58 - 2013-11-29 21:13:44 UTC
It's not so much loss of time as it is loss of ones' life, Jinari-haani. Your softclone is not "you" in any appreciable sense of the word. It carries on with the utility function which you had at time of softcloning, but we are more than our utility functions. I for one can't imagine a circumstance in which I would want to commit suicide. Better to endure capture and work for freedom than to give up.

At least, I think that's what Lady Vitalia means.
Mitchell Striker
#59 - 2013-11-29 21:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitchell Striker
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:


So I make an off-the-cuff remark about you coming off like a walking caricature-stereotype and you proceed to confirm the sentiment.

Good, then.


A remark? Miss Gesakaarin, it was a statement of my intent. One that I was forced to correct you on.

I'm sorry if you find my acceptance of Federal policy and vision as "stereotypical", but I'm sure you're familiar with the saying "If it's not broke.."

Criticism is encouraged within the Federation, but it is not demanded. That you are unable to tell the difference between one who willingly embraces a particular way of life and the values and ideas commonly attached, and an ideologue, is more reflective of you than me Miss Gesakaarin.

"The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision." - Former President of the Gallente Federation, Arlette Villers.
Anslo
Scope Works
#60 - 2013-11-29 21:27:20 UTC
Mitchell Striker wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:


So I make an off-the-cuff remark about you coming off like a walking caricature-stereotype and you proceed to confirm the sentiment.

Good, then.


A remark? Miss Gesakaarin, it was a statement of my intent. One that I was forced to correct you on.

I'm sorry if you find my acceptance of Federal policy and vision as "stereotypical", but I'm sure you're familiar with the saying "If it's not broke.."

Criticism is encouraged within the Federation, but it is not demanded. That you are unable to tell the difference between one who willingly embraces a particular way of life and the values and ideas commonly attached, and an ideologue, is more reflective of you than me Miss Gesakaarin.

How bout not turning another thread into a Fed/state pissing match which has jack **** to do with the topic? ******* hell...

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