Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The web bonus is what makes these ships. It should not be altered. The Ashimmu relies on the unique combination of neuts and a 90% web (must be faction with links to work, plain t2 is terribly ineffective) to shut down targets. It can't kill most of what it catches on its own, but it's a hell of a tackler for a small gang. As a tackler, it does things no other tackler can do. The web and neuts shut down AB fits which is something that a HIC or fast lock T3 cannot do. It is not OP however, stabbed targets get away, often even faster than they normally do due to being webbed into warp. The ship is different, nothing else is like it and that's what makes it cool. It is in no way OP, I've yet to see someone claim it is. In a straight 1v1 fight vs another faction cruiser, the Ashimmu will typically lose and be forced to warp away. It isn't that kind of ship. And that is good. It has a unique role that only the Ashimmu can do but it isn't this wonderful universal tool of destruction either. It's perfectly unbalanced I suppose.

The Bhaalgorn and Serpentis ships are the same way. Their EW bonuses are unique, not something you see on t2/t3 or navy ships. They aren't overly powerful either, just different. If you want raw brawling power, you don't take an ashimmu, you bring a Legion. At the BS level, you don't bring a Bhaalgorn, you bring the undisputed ruler of mid range dps, the navy geddon. The blood raider ships offer a unique ability. It would be a terrible shame to see them just rolled in as just another faction ship.

The Serpentis ships are the same way. They have this fantastic point blank range brawling ability. They can't do anything else, they are true specialists but within that small area they are the masters. They are arguably the most specialized ships in the game for that reason. But to fill that specialization, they absolutely have to have the 90% web. You can have all the dps in the world but if you can't hit the target, it won't do you a damned bit of good. For them, the web bonus isn't just a tackle bonus, it's a tracking bonus.

The way CCP is with their nerfs now(including the Adrestia warp speed from 6 AU to 3 AU? lol?) Their opinion matters more than the players.

Just kiss goodbye to the webs now.

Talking about the Cruor my guess is because poor ship speed, agility and slot distribution. But I could be wrong.

Oddly reminiscent of the changes to webs from long ago.


My Huggin got screwed badly by that - midslot Ewar is crap ewar on a shield tanker. 2 webs mandatory these days due to speed increases across the board. Try active tanking that at the same time before ancillary.

Most annoying is seeing those lovely 90% webs on ships that are only used for this reason. The Station/Gate games used to have Minnie webbers - now, its just Serp, the occasional Ashimuu. Are these the moaners?

90% webs are and were brutally overpowered. An odd mechanic, related heavily to how DPS is applied, and so far past target painting that its not worth discussing.

One thing that might be nice for the future is web strength related to distance. At 10k its the '60%' or a revised 77% or whatever. Overheat and this falls off to the max overheat range. Gang links can be changed from range to strength - 1 point becomes 2, 2 to 3 etc. Or a combination of both. But the range is falloff extension not straight range extension.

Heyy - or make Serpentis take the Painter Bloom bonus - Vindi can paint a frigate to the size of a BS.

What!?! And lose out on the adrenaline/serotonin high that comes from paranoid theorycrafting .. you really have a lot to learn about the mechanics of human being prior to the onset of full-on mass hysteria

Kill the God Webs.

The ships that currently sport them can get a high moved to mids to compensate ... without damage mod adjustments mind you! Straight up dps hit in exchange for superior versatility, the pirate way.

PS: There a blog coming Soon™ about the internal ramblings/rumblings regarding command links or is it still just "still waiting to make it technically possible to bring them on-grid before further thought"?

I think the Serpentis ships should have a unique bonus, much like the other pirate factions.

Would love to see the web bonus removed and replaced with a boost for combat boosters.

Something like:

37.5% reduced chance of negative side effect, role Bonus
10% increase in Combat booster strength and 5% negative sideffect strength per level of Gallente spec

this would give solo PVP'ers a very powerful tool to engage bigger groups, which comes with a risk and cost.

Certainly not a I-win button for large fleets, and yet making solo PVP more attractive

This, pretty much.

Also, this:



Both of these posts accurately describe why this bonus can not be changed.

Wrong, webs already do -60% before this bonus, with it they can do -90%, so that is a 30% not 50%. So math there is off.
Also it does slow someone down a good deal, no doubt about that, but you don't get extra range like recons and such, so you have to get within 19km, and that's with them overloaded. And even then I have seen a daredevil web and scram a Harpy or Enyo, or etc and get rocked, same with it's bigger brothers. This bonus isn't OP at all and has been around long enough to should it isn't OP. If it was SO OP, Blood and Guardian ships would be used all the time for PvP and PvE, but as they aren't use for either very much; that right there shows this ships and their bonuses aren't OP and in anything these ships need a bit of a buff.. Also if you are stupid enough to get within 15km of a vindy or it's cruiser brother in a smaller ship without back up, you deserve what you get. Half of PvP in EVE is knowing what you are fighting. doing something stupid doesn't make a ships bonus OP, it makes what you did unwise.

i think e-war should be falloff based..... so further you get into your falloff the weaker the strength and higher the cap usage on e-war mods... but is always effective i.e. can't miss.

the point being if you want the full effect/potency of your mods .. say ecm you have to keep in your optimal range which should be shrinked so maybe 20km optimal 60km falloff basic mod/skills .... thus making e-war a risk - reward tradeoff
sit at 80km in your falcon but lose a lot of ecm strength and much higher cap usage but at least your relatively safe ....
or stay in your optimal which might be 30km with skills/ range rigs and get full strength normal cap usage but are in a much more precarious place in terms of safety.....

this could be applied to neuts/webs.

1st. they use the best ships offered, get rid of what makes them use the pirate ships they will use an other [insert best ship offered] fact, nothing changes.
2nd. not everything should be accessible to 3 months old newbies, some things take time. fact.
3rd. sense? none, see 1st.