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Fix the drone Damage multipliers!!!
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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-11-20 05:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Verity Sovereign
Drone______ D-Mod___ Tracking___Speed

Hobgoblin___1.6x_____1.815____2.8 km/s
Hornet ______1.45x____2.1______3.2 km/s
Acolyte______1.15x___2.47_____3.8 km/s
Warrior______1.3x_____2.7______4.2 km/s

Notice a trend? Increasing speed.... increasing tracking speed.... decreasing damage modifier? wait no, the damage mods on the warrior and the acolyte appear swapped.

The same trend with the "swapped" damage mods is present in the medium drones, and the large drones, they all use the same damage multipliers.

This has been noted for some time...
It makes "amarr" drones suck, and "Minmatar" drones pretty darn good.
It seems its been tolerated since the drones aren't race specific, and it doesn't create much in the way of balance issues.

But since we've got a rebalance coming up, I think we should make some noise about this now, so they can fix this obvious oversight when they release the expansion.
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-20 06:30:24 UTC
Cmon, it have been like this for AGES. Ya rly think those lazy bastards gonna fix that?
P.S. Devs hate drones and its a fact. Dunno if thats cause theyre lazy (drone coding is 3rd hardest part of eve imo), or thats cause drone ai is superior to them.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-11-20 06:36:47 UTC
Hybrids have been broken for ages too.
And they are more difficult to fix.

This isn't even fixing drone coding.
Its just swapping two numbers.
Really.... come on, if we got their attention, I think they'd do such an easy fix - since they are trying to give the impression they actually care for now.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-11-20 10:13:01 UTC
Why it is so: Winmatar

No further explanation required.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-20 12:06:11 UTC
Anything Minmatar cannot ever be nerfed.
Working as intended

WHY CAN'T MINMATAR JUST BE BALANCED IN AT LEAST ONE ASPECT!?
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!
ALL CAPS ANGER.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-20 12:27:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
The swapped damage mods have been in existance forever.

Honestly, I think CCP are aware of it, but it's probably one of those items on a bug list that always get pushed down because they're trivial, so never get looked at.


Probably worth adding it to the new Papercuts thread aka CCP Soundwave's "I want your little things" sticky in General.
Aamrr
#7 - 2011-11-20 12:44:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aamrr
Unfortunately, this bug has some very far reaching implications for how people fit frigates. It's not uncommon to see people fit Dramiels with anti-explosive screens -- even though explosive is their strongest resist -- simply because of this issue.

It's a bad thing for eve. Sad
Zeomebuch Nova
Undrinkable Grog Inc.
#8 - 2011-11-20 15:28:24 UTC
Working as intended, there is no bias within the game.

Nothing to see here, move along.
Lili Lu
#9 - 2011-11-20 17:04:09 UTC
CCP look at the the op. LOOK AT IT. Fix this. Make it so Smile
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-11-20 18:51:40 UTC
Makes sense actually. Might make Amarr drones worth using.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-21 01:24:49 UTC
Yeah it's been like this forever but it would be nice if it was fixed. I have lots of points in drones and I would like to see some return on the SP dropped into Amarr Drone Specialization...
Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
Ghosts from the Abyss
#12 - 2011-11-21 01:43:24 UTC
Please leave this alone. My Ares is fitted with MSE and a explo rig. I hate destroying rigs....Big smile
Aamrr
#13 - 2011-11-21 02:21:49 UTC
Nor Tzestu wrote:
Please leave this alone. My Ares is fitted with MSE and a explo rig. I hate destroying rigs....Big smile

Quoting a symptom.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-11-21 02:36:02 UTC
I thought they should combine the ECM drones with dmg drones and base the damage off which had better ECM.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-21 03:40:01 UTC
if they even try to fix that next thing they will be forced to fix are ewar drones (along with ecm). And thats a ******* swamp and a huuuuuuge balance change. So, in 2***, may be....Cry
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#16 - 2011-11-22 02:03:55 UTC
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
(drone coding is 3rd hardest part of eve imo)


wha?

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
GavinCapacitor
CaeIum Incognitum
#17 - 2011-11-22 14:58:56 UTC
Its almost as if... wait for it... amarr are not good with drones! and that is the way things are supposed to be!

Why do you assume that there should be a direct correlation between two sets of numbers you just picked seemingly at random? I think your autism is showing, bro.
Goose99
#18 - 2011-11-22 15:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
GavinCapacitor wrote:
Its almost as if... wait for it... amarr are not good with drones! and that is the way things are supposed to be!

Why do you assume that there should be a direct correlation between two sets of numbers you just picked seemingly at random? I think your autism is showing, bro.


It's almost like how Gallante are not good with guns! Or how you're not good with rubbing 2 brain cells together. Working as intended, right?Lol
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#19 - 2011-11-22 16:33:23 UTC
I believe the tracking speed is meant to match the orbit velocity.

Orbit Velocity, highest to lowest:
Warrior/II- 750/900
Acolyte/II- 650/780
Hornet/II- 600/720
Hobgob/II- 550/660

Tracking speed, highest to lowest:
Warrior/II- 2.7/3.24
Acolyte/II- 2.47/2.964
Hornet/II- 2.1/2.52
Hobgob/II- 1.815/2.178

thhief ghabmoef
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-11-22 16:33:46 UTC
What IMO *really* doesn't make sense is that the "drone race" drone is the slowest, though really why they decided to make a strong affiliation between the drones (and missiles) and races on the *ownership* end of things is beyond me- IMO the color of the drone/missile/background should be a hint at its target.

Of course, then the numbers *start* to make a sort of sense again, if you're looking at acolytes shooting up amarr ships and warriors shooting up minnie ships. So really, the *models* are what need swapping ;)
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