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The Marmite Collective Wardeccing... for a good cause ? Really ?

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#281 - 2013-11-28 15:44:20 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Jacob Holland wrote:
"Alliances who wish to surrender will have to pay PLEX which we will donate to PFG" is fine - and entirely valid gameplay.

"Alliances who wish to surrender will have to donate a PLEX to PFG" is subtly different. It's not just normal extortion and somehow it feels wrong to me. I'm not even sure why given that not only is the result the same but there remains an element of choice...


You also have the choice to not surrender.


+1

If you have a moral problem with this, just don't surrender and let the wardec continue. You can be a space martyr.
William Pareka
Provi Rapid Response
#282 - 2013-11-28 18:38:55 UTC
You ever been in a Casino were some obviously down and out asks for a chip or token?

Now apply that here. Bob the down and outer gets his chips and runs off.

His story sure was compelling. Family of four with a new baby and his truck was stuck on the freeway. All he needs is just a poker chip to buy enough gas to get to aunt Suzies house. You give him one feeling good about yourself, he says "bless you", and off he goes.

Now if on your own volition want to give great. If you want to give because Bob there said give me a chip or else (and the story) well call the cops (that dixk).

But if Bob was a questionable character (pencil mustache and eyepatch) you might want proof that this money would indeed go to where he said it would.

So what proof do I have anything would actually go to where you said it would go?

Also

If obtaining money (PLEX an in game poker chip, arcade token, in-store credit) is now a go ahead. Can a pirate ransom you and your stuff or corp stuff or character (for all I care) for PLEX now? With a wink and a nod it might actually go to a good cause (his own)

TLDR- show me proof your good deed is going where you say it is or take a long walk.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#283 - 2013-11-28 18:46:30 UTC
William Pareka wrote:
If obtaining money (PLEX an in game poker chip, arcade token, in-store credit) is now a go ahead. Can a pirate ransom you and your stuff or corp stuff or character (for all I care) for PLEX now?

Why wouldn't you be allowed to ransom someone for PLEX?
BKM Industries
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#284 - 2013-11-28 18:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: BKM Industries
William Pareka wrote:

If obtaining money (PLEX an in game poker chip, arcade token, in-store credit) is now a go ahead. Can a pirate ransom you and your stuff or corp stuff or character (for all I care) for PLEX now? With a wink and a nod it might actually go to a good cause (his own)



You may want to learn a bit more about this game. Here is a bit of help for you cause you are no longer in World of Warcraft.

~ The people in Jita do not double your isk. The only exception to Jita is if it is a CODE member then go all in cause they normally tripple your isk.

~ It is ok to ransom people if you are a pirate for any thing you want in game. Problem is if your sec status is under -2.0 it is a rule you must always ransom them.

~ Blowing up ice miners in an ice belt makes faction spawns spawn but only if you use a smart bombing battle ship.

~ there is no spoon

~ 42

Last of all never forget to always pretend you work for CCP when talking to people. This makes them respect you more. If they claim you do not just threaten to ban them and watch what happens.

I wish you the best of luck in this game William Pareka. If you need any help moving items or need a mining permit let me know.
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EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#285 - 2013-11-28 19:10:47 UTC
Well anyways good luck, if i could feed a plex to a slaver hound and make you wait for it to crap it out i would.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#286 - 2013-11-28 19:44:46 UTC
William Pareka wrote:
So what proof do I have anything would actually go to where you said it would go?

The fact that I'd be banned for telling you it would and lying about it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

BKM Industries
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#287 - 2013-11-28 19:53:00 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3937897#post3937897 Here is something for all to eitehr like or post another topic like this one about it.
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victor calmore
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2013-11-28 20:03:34 UTC
Mean people are a part of EVE and CCP's non-interference in there actions are part of what makes this game realistic and great. If you don't like that then maybe you and your corp should return the favor or start an account in WOW (they love to please all the cry-baby's).
William Pareka
Provi Rapid Response
#289 - 2013-11-28 20:11:26 UTC
BKM Industries wrote:
William Pareka wrote:

If obtaining money (PLEX an in game poker chip, arcade token, in-store credit) is now a go ahead. Can a pirate ransom you and your stuff or corp stuff or character (for all I care) for PLEX now? With a wink and a nod it might actually go to a good cause (his own)



You may want to learn a bit more about this game. Here is a bit of help for you cause you are no longer in World of Warcraft.

~ The people in Jita do not double your isk. The only exception to Jita is if it is a CODE member then go all in cause they normally tripple your isk.

~ It is ok to ransom people if you are a pirate for any thing you want in game. Problem is if your sec status is under -2.0 it is a rule you must always ransom them.

~ Blowing up ice miners in an ice belt makes faction spawns spawn but only if you use a smart bombing battle ship.

~ there is no spoon

~ 42

Last of all never forget to always pretend you work for CCP when talking to people. This makes them respect you more. If they claim you do not just threaten to ban them and watch what happens.

I wish you the best of luck in this game William Pareka. If you need any help moving items or need a mining permit let me know.

Maybe you need some help here.

Never played wow.
So I dont get the reference.
I get scamming no issue there.
Do you see a difference between plex and isk?
The problem is with attaching in game scamming with plex for "a good cause". Make it easy cut the bs and just post a link so people can donate at their will. No grey areas and forum trolls.
Enjoy your spaceship game or are you role playing?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#290 - 2013-11-28 20:22:49 UTC
William Pareka wrote:
Do you see a difference between plex and isk?

Would you mind explaining the difference, barring the obvious?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#291 - 2013-11-28 20:25:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
William Pareka wrote:
So what proof do I have anything would actually go to where you said it would go?

The fact that I'd be banned for telling you it would and lying about it.


Will the logs actually show something?

:D
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#292 - 2013-11-28 22:50:37 UTC
Quote:
See that's where you are dead wrong. There is a difference between legal and being right.


Not in a video game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#293 - 2013-11-28 22:54:50 UTC
I think good on Marmite for supporting Plex for Good in the best way they can =D
Travasty Space
Pilots of Epic
#294 - 2013-11-28 23:28:49 UTC
William Pareka wrote:
TLDR- show me proof your good deed is going where you say it is or take a long walk.


Quite Easy, tell CCP in some fashion that you gave Marmites a Plex for PFG and they'll check in on that or you can give a Plex to PFG and show Marmites the completed contract, I'm sure both would work.
Ryhss
#295 - 2013-11-28 23:30:13 UTC
Thy war decced us. We live in null sec so....

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"

BKM Industries
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#296 - 2013-11-28 23:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: BKM Industries
Ryhss wrote:
Thy war decced us. We live in null sec so....


This is not much to boast about man we war dec people every single day. We run with 80-120 wars at a time most times.You can always pay to get out of it I am sure unless it is a paid war dec.

If your post was meant to imply your members never go into high sec and we wasted isk who cares. War decs are cheap and most "null sec" corps and alliances still have members in high sec.

@ William Pareka see you do not understand the game. That or the meaning of words. Look what I quoted you on before. You spoke of a ransom. Now you talk about a scam. Not all ransoms are scams and not all scams are ransom. The two words mean different things.

You also missed the main point of my post. You are acting as if ransoming has just been oked by CCP. Ransoms have been a part of this game always. CCP has said I did not break any rules. So nothing has changed in the game except for some people complaining that a few alliances and corps got a discount tto end a war dec if they donated to charity.

Not one single person from any of the corps who got the mail complained here. Many of out current war targets have posted here and like what we did. The only people who seem to be complaining about it are ones we are not at war with.

Now yeah you can say you are talking about what if's. Well what if you do some DDoS attacks tomorrow on the servers. Maybe eve should ban you now cause you have not broken the rules but hey you could tomorrow.
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#297 - 2013-11-28 23:42:06 UTC
BKM Industries wrote:
...most "null sec" corps and alliances have npc corp alts in high sec.


Fixed.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

BKM Industries
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#298 - 2013-11-28 23:52:19 UTC  |  Edited by: BKM Industries
Remiel Pollard wrote:
BKM Industries wrote:
...most "null sec" corps and alliances have npc corp alts in high sec.


Fixed.


lol so
Goonswarm Federation
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Northern Associates.
Brothers of Tangra

and many more just became high sec alt alliances I guess? I think you are mistaken.

http://p0wnd.nl/kb/?a=home check it out sometime you may learn something about nul sec corps and the NPC alts.
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Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#299 - 2013-11-29 02:18:54 UTC
Worst

Thread

Ever

If you object to this practice, buy some battleships and... FIGHT BACK.

How difficult is it?

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#300 - 2013-11-29 02:21:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Worst

Thread

Ever

If you object to this practice, buy some battleships and... FIGHT BACK.

How difficult is it?


Well, it's not that it's difficult in and of itself.

It's just that making a whine thread and trying to fish for GM action against Marmite is much easier. It also has a greater chance of success than carebears flailing about like beached whales trying to fight against real players.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.