Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You do realize you are dealing with a game where skill points directly affect the damage and damage application of guided missiles and even the rate of fire of missile launchers yes? I'm not sure what kind of logic you are using but it doesn't seem to be EVE logic.

Uh huh... we could go even further and make it customisable by tweaking the numbers on the fly, based on what ships we are facing. (Wow, how simple and epic idea )

I already have

Indeed... on numerous occasions.


Exactly this but... what they want is NERF. If you give people choice, they will choose a better system and we all know which one that is.

The thing is though it is not logical.. If that were the logic applied to missiles then you would need to apply that same logic to guns, so a Gyro or Magstab then bonuses damage range, velocity, tracking, etc. How OP would that be?

The whole concept of modules is the options they give, enhanced tracking, guided missiles use explosion radius and explosion velocity, why not a module to enhance the tracking of the missiles to give better damage application .
Enhanced range, HML Fury fit Drake 47k, precision 31k, without rigs or implants, Caracal fury 70k, precision 47k.

These ranges look reasonable?? Not for a sniper!! An interceptor is going to run you down at 70k before you can apply enough damage to kill him, once he has you webbed and scrammed the rest of the gang land on you, your dead.

As we are talking about making heavy missiles usable as an option for the new RLML, forget the ferox it has guns, forget the harpy it is a frigate, forget the raven it is a battleship (although you can fit RHML: to it and just hope you can hit something moving that is smaller than a battlecruiser).





Sarcasm; Next patch will see a new module, it reps both shield and armour and also provides 20% resist per level to armour and shield, activation cost - 10Gj's. Nice, lets see how many damage mods I can fit now I only need 1 for defences.

Just sad...actually more than sad. This guy and fozzie have just about as much impact on gameplay as anyone else at CCP (including the game designers who hand out high sec PoCo's to the goons), yet act so poorly when faced with the fact that not all their ideas are genius.

I did test RHML with a couple of corpmates, the problem for the balancing is, that all plattforms are almost the same with RMHL.
raven or phoon? does not matter because the range and sig bonus are not applied.
raven navy issue? nope no range bonus just expensive 8 launchers
typhoon fleet? the only difference to the rest 60 k damage until reload compared to the 35k damage from raven,phoon,widow ect.

I understand if CCP says "lets start this feature without making it too overpowered, we can adjust later"
but on the other hand i makes no sense that all bs plattforms perform the same in terms of missile projection/application.
there is no range BS, no sig BS, the combination in in the raven navy.
it is just the amount of launchers the rof bonus and the fleetphoon with the damage bonus.

TL;DR
i like the concept. But choosing the right BS for the right situation is pretty boring - no cool ship bonus effecting heavy missiles.

However, it is pretty obvious given his responses that he summarily dismissed that option. As it didn't meet his goal of nerfing the system. The bigger issue is that the devs have continually ignored or dismissed the issues with the missile mechanics. Which in my opinion is a far larger concern and problem that exists with both the devs and the higher-ups at CCP.

Personally, I am not sure whether it is due to the dev's having a personal stake in the game with their personal accounts. It may or may not be the case. I cannot read minds, sadly would be helpful at times. Regardless, I am tempted to state that CCP Employees might need to be banned from personal accounts. Even if it is a temporary measure to test that theory. Cause, there is some underlying reason that the devs have yet to address the glaringly obvious issues with missile mechanics...

Especially, as they have had opportunities to start addressing it in piecemeal over the expansions starting with Odyssey. It is further distressing that in this thread and in the previous two threads players (myself included) have made proposals of how to fix the broken missile mechanics. So it is not like they have no point or ideas to work from. This continual attitude by the Devs does not bode well for either balancing of the game mechanics or the players of Eve Online.

Just my 2 cents this morning.

Seriously the amount of sheer stupidity and ignorance in this thread is terrifying !

We are in a missile thread with missiles users who don't have any clue about what their weapons are capable of...

And the legends about turrets melting frigates at all ranges is completely absurd ! Listening to you, turrets are a single weapon system able to hit with blasters damage at spike railguns range with one single ammo type, automagicaly selecting the lowest resistance of the ennemy, and with no capacitor or tracking to care for. And drones are even better, instantly killing any frigate they see in the blink of an eye, and they are absolutely not destructible, that was a legend, and sentries are not immobile.

Also, I like the irony of thinking it's normal for a turret to hit scram+webed frigate, so missiles should be able to hit them for full damage with no support mod, because you know the Caracal is shield tanked so that would be unfair.


But seriously if you're not able to understand the differences between ships and are only lookinng for a beautiful skin on your weapon to farm powerless adversaries, just look for another game.

Otherwise please learn about what a frigate can do before talking about an anti-frigate weapon system.

Oh Bouh, not the livestock...

Name that film folks!

But seriously Bouh, please post me some of your kills using missile boats... I'll wait a few weeks while you train them.

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SNIP - I'm getting snarky.

But if you go through your losses, you actually have more losses to gun boat cruisers than you do missile boats.



Given that some of the pilots that have posted in this thread, are some of the best solo pilots I've ever seen in this game, that fly a wide variety of ships, and have basically said this idea is terrible, I don't think that is fair.



Going through all your losses - all of which are Gallente ships, most of them frigates, most of your losses are actually... wait for it - from gun cruisers. Yet you seem to have an agenda about RLML and Caldari ships in particular being overpowered, when clearly, your own record shows that simply isn't the case.



No, what has been stated earlier, is that even with massive amounts of target painting, and even several webs, we still can't do full damage with medium sized missiles. We're not even talking against frigates here. There does come a reasonable point where it is fair to say, a weapon should hit for close to the real amount of its potential damage, and don't forget missiles cannot crit.

Final thought. For the record, I think you're a good pilot based on what your record shows. I'll certainly have recruited you to my corp back when it was active. I'd have forced you to cross train Caldari ships though, so I doubt you'd have liked it much :)