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A spin off of the martial arts thread... Personal weapons.

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Jurou Yuan
Wolfraam 74
#21 - 2013-11-28 15:13:41 UTC
I find that my social grace keeps me from needing a side arm.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2013-11-28 15:14:36 UTC
Well, personal security varies. On Nonni there's the Marine Battalion that my office is situated within the CP of. Other than that, I find a personal security detail cumbersome so, unless I'm heading somewhere I consider risky, I do without.

A medium-ish pistol. A scaled down nova knife. But as others have said, if it comes to that...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-11-28 15:42:41 UTC
If nothing else, as I mentioned in the other thread, there are other benefits besides personal protection. There's something meditative about cleaning your gun, and something therapeutic about range time.

Not that I've put a lot of time into either activity recently.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Cuci Cairi
#24 - 2013-11-28 17:12:11 UTC
My possession of personal weapons is largely an issue of comfort and enjoyment and little else. As others have said, the situations where I would need a weapon are slim - and in that rare situation, it is unlikely I would be able to use them effectively enough against a skilled opponent.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-11-28 19:38:22 UTC
What a weird concept. Carrying and displaying a personal firearm is the best way to increase dramatically the chances of escalation and ensuing soft cloning by a good margin...

I dislike those things.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2013-11-28 20:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
I originally carried a standard Kaalakiota made Bolt Pistol, which is simply another name for a pistol sized railgun. Times change though, and I found through several attempts on my life that no real threat will come close enough to me for that little pea shooter to do any good. As others have said, if I am to keep myself safe, that job is best left to professionals. In all other cases, I have a soft clone.

That all being said, while I no longer carry a practical sidearm, I do carry a ceremonial sidearm. Gifted to me by a colleague, it is an antique Navy issue bolt pistol from the early years of the Caldari-Gallente war. I carry it with me as a part of my dress uniform within a matching leather holster. While it has been used in war, I have not fired it. I do not intend to. Apparently the former property of my colleague's ancestor, it was given not as a self-defense weapon, but as a reminder of the sacrifices those that came before me have made.

Katrina Oniseki

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#27 - 2013-11-29 01:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
From my perspective, miss Farel has roughly the right of it.

The best weapon for when one baselines, in my experience, is not a heavy pistol or rifle, or even a considerable security force, as these only serve to invite trouble to your doorstep. The only cases where their deployment is productive are, indeed, circumstances when one has blundered to begin with, and trouble has found you already. It also shouldn't be necessary to dwell only in hyper-secure environments - Most people do fine without them, after all.

Rather, ones greatest defense is merely the common sense to conduct oneself quietly and discreetly, and not make a fuss that might seperate you from the average person. It might be tempting to possess a firearm recreationally due to the feelings of personal empowerment it offers, but in the end, this will only cause problems for the bearer.
Mitchell Striker
#28 - 2013-11-29 04:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitchell Striker
I'm sure hostile parties appreciate knowing both the self-defence capabilities of their targets as well as whatever weapons they may or may not carry with them.

I'm also sure DED appreciates the assistance in helping them compile individual threat assessments as well, no doubt it is saving someone some paperwork.

"The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision." - Former President of the Gallente Federation, Arlette Villers.

Hevaima Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-11-29 05:17:59 UTC
I still keep my old Home Guard sidearm, a Kaalakiota Stahl-15 service pistol, mostly for sentimental reasons.

There's a Lai Dai subsidiary that sells a rather attractive integrated wetware suite with modular personal defence options hard-linked into a Direct Neural Interface movement-by-wire system that probably makes it redundant while not offending polite company over drinks.

No need to abandon style and class when considering the means to defend yourself against a wide spectrum of threats to your personal safety, I'd say.
Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#30 - 2013-11-29 05:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
Trust me, this is pretty far from a comprehensive threat assessment. Personal arms have pretty much become an everyday thing for me, and I'm a bit unsentimental about them. I carry what I need for the operation at hand. I do have some favorites, I guess, foremost among them being Ishukone's IA-106 assault rifle, and Kaalakiota's Mark 25, both good small arms that I've used often in the past. I'm with Calimari in my opinion of them compared to the portable artillery available to clone soldiers though, in that they just feel a bit puny. Still, can't carrry the big guns in every scenario. Off the field, I keep a sidearm and Nova knife handy out of habit, rather than any real need.
Captain Hoax
Freedom and Profit
#31 - 2013-11-29 06:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Hoax
Snub nosed 25mm semi auto Perkone railgun with a folding stock and dual ammo selector. Yes its more bulky than a pistol, and harder to conceal. Yes it has less penetration than an assault rifle of a similar size. But you just cannot beat the versatility of the damn thing. The 8 round, twin clips, combined with the ammo selector allows for the flexibility of a shotgun for close ranges, with the accuracy of a carbine for mid to long range when loaded with fletching and slug. I've only had to use her a handful of times, but each one it was in a warehouse with a sour deal or double cross. That combination range and stopping power is invaluable in that sort of scenario, plus just showing up to a party with Perkone snub nose is a good way to let people know you're serious.


Other than that I am a big fan of the hidden/boot knife as a last resort. I've even taken the time to make my own, just a small blade, created to fit in between a fist. I found that to be a very relaxing, almost spiritual, experience. Just the act of taking a piece of steel and honing it, shaping it into a weapon, even a small one.
Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-11-29 08:49:33 UTC
An interesting question which will get an interesting answer from me. Personally I tend to keep several throwing knives. I also enjoy a variable amount of practice with different sized sword's axes and other weapons of the close range types.

I will say though, with firearm's I tend to keep several different rifles at close hand. Pistol's are a major option as I do not enjoy them all that well. The distance is what I prefer, and what I am used to. Though I have been working on this sub-machine gun that uses a new type of round...hmm...Now i need to go work on it more.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-11-29 09:09:59 UTC
Mitchell Striker wrote:
I'm sure hostile parties appreciate knowing both the self-defence capabilities of their targets as well as whatever weapons they may or may not carry with them.


I'm quite sure that anybody competent who was fixing to kill me would spot that big iron I'm carrying anyway, regardless of whether or not I discuss its existence on Galnet. It's not exactly a subtle piece of hardware.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Dangirdas Bachir
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-11-29 09:33:04 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Mitchell Striker wrote:
I'm sure hostile parties appreciate knowing both the self-defence capabilities of their targets as well as whatever weapons they may or may not carry with them.


I'm quite sure that anybody competent who was fixing to kill me would spot that big iron I'm carrying anyway, regardless of whether or not I discuss its existence on Galnet. It's not exactly a subtle piece of hardware.

In that case my attached machete secretly around my thigh isn't gonna get noticed.

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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#35 - 2013-11-29 16:24:50 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I originally carried a standard Kaalakiota made Bolt Pistol, which is simply another name for a pistol sized railgun. Times change though, and I found through several attempts on my life that no real threat will come close enough to me for that little pea shooter to do any good. As others have said, if I am to keep myself safe, that job is best left to professionals. In all other cases, I have a soft clone.

That all being said, while I no longer carry a practical sidearm, I do carry a ceremonial sidearm. Gifted to me by a colleague, it is an antique Navy issue bolt pistol from the early years of the Caldari-Gallente war. I carry it with me as a part of my dress uniform within a matching leather holster. While it has been used in war, I have not fired it. I do not intend to. Apparently the former property of my colleague's ancestor, it was given not as a self-defense weapon, but as a reminder of the sacrifices those that came before me have made.



I have one of those, it's an even older model, though.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/bf/Pistol_11.jpg/400px-Pistol_11.jpg

Lot of fun to shoot, too, if we are ever in the same area of space we'll have to meet up and compare them.



Most of the time I carry a VSF mk2 Viper flechette pistol as my sidearm, magnetically propels clusters of flechettes. Short range, but does a good job chewing up body armor, and its effects on flesh are more than effective.

By habit I never stopped carrying my combat knife I was issued as a marine, tantalum-carbide alloy blade, extremely tough, and extremely sharp on the cutting edge. the metal is hard enough that it has to be rehoned with a laser honing tool made for the job.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#36 - 2013-11-29 16:43:31 UTC
If there is someone who wants to kill a capsuleer, and they have managed to get you into a position where you need to use either a personal weapon, or 'martial arts' skills, you will already be dead. They will be the sort of person who is paid large amounts of money to kill very hard to kill people.

Whoever hired them will also have to have been the sort of person to pay a very large amount of money to make sure your soft clones all have accidents as well, else there is no point in attacking the capsuleer at all.

Do not put yourself into situations where you could be killed by a random person wielding a gun, or you basically deserve the minor inconvenience that comes to you.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-11-29 16:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
If there is someone who wants to kill a capsuleer, and they have managed to get you into a position where you need to use either a personal weapon, or 'martial arts' skills, you will already be dead. They will be the sort of person who is paid large amounts of money to kill very hard to kill people.

Whoever hired them will also have to have been the sort of person to pay a very large amount of money to make sure your soft clones all have accidents as well, else there is no point in attacking the capsuleer at all.

Do not put yourself into situations where you could be killed by a random person wielding a gun, or you basically deserve the minor inconvenience that comes to you.


All of this is accurate, bar one thing: Even the very best make mistakes.

If I were in that situation, if I had been hunted by somebody that skilled, if my soft clones were all offline and my bodyguards were down, then I'd still rather have a gun than no gun. It may not work, but I'd say that the slim chance that it might is better than the certainty of having nothing to do except die.

I intend never to find myself in that scenario. I have arranged things such that it is all but impossible that I ever shall be. But a slim chance at even having the opportuniy for one last desperation move is better than no chance at all.

Besides, if my end comes at anything other than a time and place of my choosing, I'd at least prefer to die armed, purely out of principle and pride.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#38 - 2013-11-29 17:05:07 UTC
If you're going to consider such utterly extreme scenarios, you might as well carry assault rifles. Maybe some anti-armor weaponry, in case of dust gruntlings. Grenades in all prosthetics. Maybe some antimatter pinhead charges. You know, just in case. Most of these things will be less cumbersome than a side-arm, even.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-11-29 17:10:35 UTC
It's all down to your choice of sidearm and the kind of ammo you load it with. I'll say no more.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-11-29 17:12:23 UTC
My good friend also brought up an interesting point, though.

If you have to kill a baseliner, you may be better served doing it with a mundane personal weapon. Precisely for the reasons described above, if someone is shot or stabbed planetside, no matter how canny you are as a suspect you are immediately discarded and they start following a money trail as if you must have hired someone.

I wonder how many forgotten gangland shootings were otherwise unblemished capsuleers taking advantage of stereotypes.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26