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EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-11-28 14:21:36 UTC
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/

You can see whats going on without all the cool internet people saying the same **** all the time.
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#42 - 2013-11-28 14:32:10 UTC
Just hear me on this please. The Mittani is ran by the Grr Mittens but they have some great writers on that site who do good articles on eve related things and as well other games. Yes it has stuff about goons but once you get pass that its pretty well done stuff written by mostly sane people.

Blue
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-11-28 15:30:45 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Laserak wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other?

Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc Smile


Sperg is short for sperglord which is derived from Aspergers, which is a form of autism. Someone who feels the need to be correct and validate themselves by stating facts or truisms regardless of circumstance, despite being completely socially inept at gauging exactly how much of a nobgobbler this makes them.

See your post for reference.

It's a pretty offensive term, actually.

Really? If there's anything Goons hate it's being offensive.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#44 - 2013-11-28 15:48:03 UTC
All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-11-28 16:32:39 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer.


http://xkcd.com/263/

a(b + c) = ab + ac

Politicize that, bitches.
PR0JECT 2501
Section Nine
#46 - 2013-11-28 16:57:56 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer.


http://xkcd.com/263/

a(b + c) = ab + ac

Politicize that, bitches.


Is this the formula for calculating future political allegiance in 1984?
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#47 - 2013-11-28 17:11:22 UTC
SpoonRECKLESS wrote:
Just hear me on this please. The Mittani is ran by the Grr Mittens

And every time you click on a link loading that site you support it.

Since page exposure is a vital part of covering the costs of operating almost any site.
SpoonRECKLESS wrote:

but they have some great writers on that site who do good articles on eve related things and as well other games. Yes it has stuff about goons but once you get pass that its pretty well done stuff written by mostly sane people.

They do, but most of the non-goon stuff is available directly from the source(s).

Now, I don't have any issues at all with any of the people behind TMC nor Goons as such.

I had at least 2 Goons on my ballot for CSM (with Mynna as #2 after Uncle Stevie).

My problem is that Goons(tm) has spent so many years positioning themselves as Eve's #1 "undesirables" (there are other more colourful words for it but they're not suited for a high standard forum like this one).

We've been fed so much talk (aka posturing or even RP) about how we "pubbies" are such a sad little bunch of no importance and hints about our obvious lack of insight since we are, well, "pubbies".

And now we are somehow to believe that all that stuff from before was just "posturing and RP" and not at all related to how intelligent and well behaved those "New Goons" really are.

So no, I'll wait some more years before I buy this.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#48 - 2013-11-28 17:13:12 UTC
There are no unbiased news sites these days. News is more opinion than actual news these days, even the real world news.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#49 - 2013-11-28 17:14:11 UTC
Some say they have a Gallente bias, but I think The Scope is fair and balanced.

No good deed goes unpunished
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-11-28 17:15:50 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
We've been fed so much talk (aka posturing or even RP) about how we "pubbies" are such a sad little bunch of no importance and hints about our obvious lack of insight since we are, well, "pubbies".

And now we are somehow to believe that all that stuff from before was just "posturing and RP" and not at all related to how intelligent and well behaved those "New Goons" really are.

You have been sadly misinformed. No matter how successful we are att Eve pubbies are still pubbies.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-11-28 17:25:48 UTC
PR0JECT 2501 wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer.


http://xkcd.com/263/

a(b + c) = ab + ac

Politicize that, bitches.


Is this the formula for calculating future political allegiance in 1984?


It looks like the formula for when there are 2 women for 1 man and they agree to share him.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#52 - 2013-11-28 17:55:01 UTC
Why anyone would give up their IP to a site that can then use it for DDos attacks is probably not a good idea. Cool

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#53 - 2013-11-28 18:01:10 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Why anyone would give up their IP to a site that can then use it for DDos attacks is probably not a good idea. Cool



Because its terribly hard to discover a persons IP address.. the only time IP shenanigans were perpetrated by an eve news site was actually EN24 when Riverini got buttmad at a former writer or something and doxxed the guy and published his real life details.

Kinda like when the democratic party published the home addresses of licensed firearms owners.
Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
#54 - 2013-11-28 19:13:43 UTC
Ursula Thrace wrote:
MestariBation wrote:
Are there any unbiased EVE news site?


no


baltec1 wrote:
http://themittani.com/


this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news.



Aww.. show us on the doll where 'the one new channel that doesn't get it's talking points directly from the Democratic National Convention daily fax news-release and if you don't agree 100% with the pablum they shove down your throat that it contained you must be a racist' touched you.

[i]"The biggest problem with quotes on the Internet, is that just because it's on the Internet too many believe them to be real" -[/i]Abraham Lincoln's "Berlin Wall" speech at the 1984 Winter Olympics.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-11-28 19:32:03 UTC
Noddy Comet wrote:
Aww.. show us on the doll where 'the one new channel that doesn't get it's talking points directly from the Democratic National Convention daily fax news-release and if you don't agree 100% with the pablum they shove down your throat that it contained you must be a racist' touched you.

Conservative rage is soooooo fulfilling.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
MestariBation
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-11-28 19:52:36 UTC
Noddy Comet wrote:
Ursula Thrace wrote:
MestariBation wrote:
Are there any unbiased EVE news site?


no


baltec1 wrote:
http://themittani.com/


this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news.



Aww.. show us on the doll where 'the one new channel that doesn't get it's talking points directly from the Democratic National Convention daily fax news-release and if you don't agree 100% with the pablum they shove down your throat that it contained you must be a racist' touched you.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#57 - 2013-11-29 19:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Pinky Hops wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer.


http://xkcd.com/263/

a(b + c) = ab + ac

Politicize that, bitches.


Not even math is certain all the time. I recommend "The Folly of Reason", if you want to have the notion of maths as infallible challenged.

Just look at string theory. You can 'prove' anything is true with maths and string theory. Doesn't mean it's right.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-11-29 19:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
Arduemont wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer.


http://xkcd.com/263/

a(b + c) = ab + ac

Politicize that, bitches.


Not even math is certain all the time. I recommend "The Folly of Reason", if you want to have the notion of maths as infallible challenged.

Just look at string theory. You can 'prove' anything is true with maths and string theory. Doesn't mean it's right.


if you are talking about the paradoxes that were debated at length during the early 20th century, that's pretty old news.

the solution was to be very careful about your axioms and how you state your conclusions.

also, string theory is just a model. it's not really some sort of mathematical formula or theorem, it's something primarily the physicists are interested in...and like all physical theories, there's no proofs at all, just predictions, evidence and data. very different from math.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#59 - 2013-11-29 19:10:27 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
. You can 'prove' anything with facts



Trudat

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#60 - 2013-11-29 19:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Arduemont wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:


Not even math is certain all the time. I recommend "The Folly of Reason", if you want to have the notion of maths as infallible challenged.

Just look at string theory. You can 'prove' anything is true with maths and string theory. Doesn't mean it's right.


if you are talking about the paradoxes that were debated at length during the early 20th century, that's pretty old news.

the solution was to be very careful about your axioms and how you state your conclusions.

also, string theory is just a model. it's not really some sort of mathematical formula or theorem, it's something primarily the physicists are interested in...and like all physical theories, there's no proofs at all, just predictions, evidence and data. very different from math.


All right, touché on the paradoxes but although string theory is just a model, the maths is solid. But it's still ludicrous, unprovable rubbish.

Ramona McCandless wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
. You can 'prove' anything with facts

Trudat


Actually you can't prove anything with anything. That's fundamental. You merely test it over and over looking for results that would disprove it, and when you continue not to find disproving results you come to the likely conclusion that it is (whatever it is) very probably true.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf