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eWarp or how to get tied up and pooped on

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Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2013-11-28 11:02:38 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
You can simply get an alt to light a cyno for you.


Sure.

Your alt lights the escape cyno.

But since you're in e-warp, you cannot jump to it.

The titan is in e-warp.

It cannot do anything.

It cannot stop the e-warp - and fight back.

It cannot light his own cynos to ask for help.

It cannot jump to safe cynos and gtfo.

It cannot fire at the bumper.

It cannot do anything because...

...It's in an e-warp!

<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#62 - 2013-11-28 11:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
This seems very unfair. Unfair that PL can complain about unfair mechanics that is. HTFU and dont log in unless you have a cyno fitted and support nearby.

Said a player that doesn't fly anything more expensive than cruisers for plexing.



I didnt make the plex restriction.

Good kill SC!

As for the post above, im not suggesting you jump out, im suggesting you get friends to jump in.

In all seriousness though, the titan was bought with exploited isk and im glad the dude lost it. However yes, being incapacitated by ewarp needs fixing,
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#63 - 2013-11-28 11:06:51 UTC
pretty sure CCP has called that an exploit and only the greatest of tards would attempt it. GG
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#64 - 2013-11-28 11:12:14 UTC
Typical circle jerking and **** posting aside, there is clearly an undefined grey area here in regards to not only emergency warp mechanics but also it's relevancy in specific systems ie null, low sec. As someone who was actually there on comms and in fleet standing by we had no detailed knowledge until cyno up and oh an Erebus.

If anything I see several points that need to be addressed:

1. CCP knows of ewarp issues yet failed to seriously look at them.

2. Logging off in a pos yet not logging back into the pos on log in was mentioned to be a coding issue therefore ewarp is the result and needs to be changed.

3. Rubicon's warp speed changes drastically altered ships vulnerabilities and this is just another jarring example.

I'd also like to see proof from PL or RnK where GM's specifically said "no" when it came to using this method to tackle/bump Supers. If so why not make this knowledge public from CCP? Did they only think people who asked may have known about it? If anything this will force CCP to look at ewarp and pos issues more seriously especially in tandem with Rubicons changes.

Irregardless it was an awesome kill and thanks to everyone who made it happen.

Joder
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#65 - 2013-11-28 11:13:44 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
pretty sure CCP has called that an exploit and only the greatest of tards would attempt it. GG


Think this is a little harsh.

Was a great catch by SC (well done EvilEvilEvil) weather its an exploit or not!

Now lets get his titan reimbursed so we can lose it all over again Big smile
Mazra Jade
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#66 - 2013-11-28 11:19:35 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Really, i thought i was coming across as quite smug?


it's cos he's poor
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#67 - 2013-11-28 11:19:49 UTC
Sala Cameron wrote:


About half a year ago I've written a petition about the tactics/mechanics used today and if they are considered an exploit. The answer I got was something like "We're investigating this and do not recommend killing ships using this method until further notice. The team reserves the right to classify this as an exploit without prior warning."


So then why withhold this information from the general playerbase? As a CSM is it not your responsibility to communicate these things to the general eve public? Seems shoddy to me at best.
Jassmin Joy
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#68 - 2013-11-28 11:29:07 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Sala Cameron wrote:


About half a year ago I've written a petition about the tactics/mechanics used today and if they are considered an exploit. The answer I got was something like "We're investigating this and do not recommend killing ships using this method until further notice. The team reserves the right to classify this as an exploit without prior warning."


So then why withhold this information from the general playerbase? As a CSM is it not your responsibility to communicate these things to the general eve public? Seems shoddy to me at best.

It wasnt Really Withheld persay, Several players done lengthy posts about it including that they were told not to, ROCKETX in particular did a really good one showing exactly how it's done, but i agree that there hasn't been an offiicial ccp response, and considering they knew about it there probably should be.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2013-11-28 11:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tara Read
Jassmin Joy wrote:
but i agree that there hasn't been an offiicial ccp response, and considering they knew about it there probably should be.


And therein lies the rub. There's been no official CCP response. Yet from the bellowing and mashing of teeth from Reddit to Eve-Kill of people screaming "Exploit! Exploit!" no doubt there will be one...
Joder
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#70 - 2013-11-28 11:46:35 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=224862

for ppl that cant be bothered to search for Rocket X's thread on it!
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#71 - 2013-11-28 12:02:57 UTC
Bob FromMarketing wrote:
Grarr Dexx wrote:
while I gotta give them mad props for actually pulling this off, I too find that this is a bit beyond game mechanics

there's a reason why you can't get pointed during the e-warp


Grarr didn't rage
I'm afraid


~the chillest of chills~
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#72 - 2013-11-28 12:18:12 UTC
Bob FromMarketing wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Tekitha wrote:
I won't go as far as to say this is an exploit (it's within game mechanics after all) however I will say it is clearly broken or not "working as intended" and here is why.

When you log in a titan (or any ship for that matter) it immediately enters emergency warp, every normal method of interrupting this warp simply dos not work, more specifically; a) Ctrl-space, attempting to stop your ship has no effect (this also prevents you from cynoing, activating a cyno module or activating any offensive modules to allow you to fight back) and b) warp disruption modules, in this case focused points from a HIC, have no effect (the module will activate on the target but will not prevent that ship from warping off ... you can test this yourself quite easily). By this reasoning ccp's clear intention is that there should be no way to interrupt these emergency warps, therefore the ability for the ship to be bumped and / or targetted during this e-warp state is clearly flawed.


Heres the chain of events as i understand them

NoNah is bad, he exploited LP to earn a titan. then he lost his titan because he was bad...

Simple as that.

Good work Shadow Cartel!



I stole close on a trillion isk in supercapitals, should I have no right to claim that mechanics governing them are wrong because you're jealous?


No you didn't :P
Lydia vanPersie
SHAKIRA LAW ENFORCERS
#73 - 2013-11-28 12:49:46 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
I'd also like to see proof from PL or RnK where GM's specifically said "no" when it came to using this method to tackle/bump Supers. If so why not make this knowledge public from CCP? Did they only think people who asked may have known about it? If anything this will force CCP to look at ewarp and pos issues more seriously especially in tandem with Rubicons changes.


While nobody that I know of has gotten in trouble for saying things like "X tactic will get you banned" and "I got Y punishment for doing Z", posting logs of GM communication is not something the GM staff look kindly on.

(^;
Alhana Starrbreeze
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2013-11-28 12:56:58 UTC
I think this is an exploit. And guys should be banned.
Also you need to ban guys who bumping the titan with cyno and titans jump in under pos when titan open portal.
Mail Lite
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-11-28 13:56:03 UTC
Alhana Starrbreeze wrote:
I think this is an exploit. And guys should be banned.
Also you need to ban guys who bumping the titan with cyno and titans jump in under pos when titan open portal.


Anyone else find his last sentence hard to read? Just curious...

Also I agree with a poster on the last page, if someone does get caught like the Erebus last night then he SHOULD be able to cancel warp and fight back (not that this guy could of...) but they should have the chance.

CCP need to change either the Ewarp mechanics so that when you log off in the POS you log back INTO the POS without moving OR they need to confirm that such actions SHOULD be allowed, make it so infini points and bubbles work correctly and the Ewarp is stopped so that the person attacked has the chance to live/fight.

I'm personally for the second. More risk for SC pilots, especially POS living bridge Titans can only be a good thing.

P.S I hope before CCP say one way or the other that PL/DT try and take one of our SC's in revenge or something. That would be hilarious and better than all this stupid forum whining! Pirate

Mail
Kashmyta
HC - gizmos Gizco
#76 - 2013-11-28 14:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kashmyta
Mail Lite wrote:
Alhana Starrbreeze wrote:
I think this is an exploit. And guys should be banned.
Also you need to ban guys who bumping the titan with cyno and titans jump in under pos when titan open portal.


Anyone else find his last sentence hard to read? Just curious...

Also I agree with a poster on the last page, if someone does get caught like the Erebus last night then he SHOULD be able to cancel warp and fight back (not that this guy could of...) but they should have the chance.

CCP need to change either the Ewarp mechanics so that when you log off in the POS you log back INTO the POS without moving OR they need to confirm that such actions SHOULD be allowed, make it so infini points and bubbles work correctly and the Ewarp is stopped so that the person attacked has the chance to live/fight.

I'm personally for the second. More risk for SC pilots, especially POS living bridge Titans can only be a good thing.

P.S I hope before CCP say one way or the other that PL/DT try and take one of our SC's in revenge or something. That would be hilarious and better than all this stupid forum whining! Pirate

Mail


I agree, there needs to be clarification for sure. As for the whining, i'm sure you boys would have questioned our actions if we caught you in the same way. We just need clarification as to whether this is a legitimate tactic.

Would the titan have lived if he could have fought back? no.

However, had the pilot known that e-warp bumping is acceptable method of being tackled i Highly doubt he would have logged in in the first place, given the circumstances and therefore it would have been avoided.

And for the record when the titan went down he was chill as ****, you would have thought it was just a frigate.
Mail Lite
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-11-28 16:16:11 UTC
Kashmyta wrote:
Mail Lite wrote:
Alhana Starrbreeze wrote:
I think this is an exploit. And guys should be banned.
Also you need to ban guys who bumping the titan with cyno and titans jump in under pos when titan open portal.


Anyone else find his last sentence hard to read? Just curious...

Also I agree with a poster on the last page, if someone does get caught like the Erebus last night then he SHOULD be able to cancel warp and fight back (not that this guy could of...) but they should have the chance.

CCP need to change either the Ewarp mechanics so that when you log off in the POS you log back INTO the POS without moving OR they need to confirm that such actions SHOULD be allowed, make it so infini points and bubbles work correctly and the Ewarp is stopped so that the person attacked has the chance to live/fight.

I'm personally for the second. More risk for SC pilots, especially POS living bridge Titans can only be a good thing.

P.S I hope before CCP say one way or the other that PL/DT try and take one of our SC's in revenge or something. That would be hilarious and better than all this stupid forum whining! Pirate

Mail


I agree, there needs to be clarification for sure. As for the whining, i'm sure you boys would have questioned our actions if we caught you in the same way. We just need clarification as to whether this is a legitimate tactic.

Would the titan have lived if he could have fought back? no.

However, had the pilot known that e-warp bumping is acceptable method of being tackled i Highly doubt he would have logged in in the first place, given the circumstances and therefore it would have been avoided.

And for the record when the titan went down he was chill as ****, you would have thought it was just a frigate.


I didn't mean DT was whining, you guys have been pretty cool about it and I completely agree if you had done it to us we would probably be on the forums doing the same.

Your pilot was pretty awesome about it all tbh and I give him full props for it.

I think we really need CCP to give clarification on this point and find out where we all stand, if it does become acceptable I am expecting a lot more caution when using JB titans in LS. Could make for a great bit of meta gaming tbh.

Lets see where this lands.

Mail
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#78 - 2013-11-28 16:18:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
What I dislike is you can't even fight back, can't even triage or siege, etc. so unless you happen to have friends on hand to save you your stuffed. I don't mind losing a ship but losing it while completely unable to even go out swinging is just very very poor.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#79 - 2013-11-28 16:27:40 UTC
More dead titans = better

No exceptions.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Frankinator
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-11-28 16:48:03 UTC
Rroff wrote:
What I dislike is you can't even fight back. I don't mind losing a ship but losing it while completely unable to even go out swinging is just very very poor.

Quoted for the Truth