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Mining Barge Differences
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Boba Shaw
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-11-28 05:19:00 UTC
I am totally new to the game and just got my first drone going on a mining frigate.

I was trying to see for the next step up, what would be the best ship to buy.

I read this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2497343

It suggests Retriever if you are solo, however the in-game description suggests that the Covetor gives the best yield.

Should I be thinking that the Retriever is better since I won't need to go back and forth between docks to sell? It's def got a much bigger capacity.

The Retriever only has 2 high points while the Covetor has 3. Am I wrong in assuming that means how many mining lasers I could equip to each?

And how much do drones play into it? Because the Covetor seems to be able to do double.

Thanks for any advice you can give - if you couldn't tell I am getting pretty overwhelmed and/or lost ha
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-11-28 05:27:04 UTC
yes one strip miner per highslot, do note the ship bonuses though. a skiff (1 laser) wont mine a third of a hulk (3) due to those.

and the constant trips to station adds up to a LOT of lost income in the ships with smaller cargo holds.

and all can launch 5 mining drones (25mb) but if you can have a flight of hobs as well for defense against rats that is handy. mining drones do add up a fair bit if you got good skills for em.

if solo i would use a retriver due to the hold.
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#3 - 2013-11-28 05:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Caldari 5
Please check the bonuses on the Hulls, they either have yield or duration bonus that helps lessen the effect of having less strip miners, so the actual difference in mining amounts is very small.

T1
Covetor - best yield in a Fleet with a dedicated hauler - Gank bait
Retreiver - best yield solo (remember to take into account warp speeds, docking and undocking times) - gank bait
Procurer - Best tank

Similar in the T2 too
Hulk - best yield in a Fleet with a dedicated hauler - Gank bait
Mackinaw - best yield solo (remember to take into account warp speeds, docking and undocking times) - gank bait if not fit with a tank
Skiff - Best tank

There was a devblog when they did the rebalance that had the approximate yields , however iirc they didn't take into account warp times dock/undock/etc

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ship-balancing-mining-barges/
Boba Shaw
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-11-28 05:38:54 UTC
Thanks! Seems everyone agrees on Retriever here - I'll shoot for that once I get the cash.

A few followups:

Rat = Pirate?
Hob = what?
Gank = getting ripped off in some way?
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-11-28 05:51:02 UTC
Boba Shaw wrote:
Thanks! Seems everyone agrees on Retriever here - I'll shoot for that once I get the cash.

A few followups:

Rat = Pirate?
Hob = what?
Gank = getting ripped off in some way?


rat: npc.. we call the mobs. rats in this game.

hob: hobgoblin drone

gank: pirates (like me) who warp in on you in destroyers with the intent of killing you, yes we will die to concord but if we can take down a mining ship we are ahead
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#6 - 2013-11-28 07:52:27 UTC
The first time you buy a barge, you probably wont be able to replace it. For this reason: Procurer. Forget Retri, forget Covetor, buy a Procurer. Its almost immune to gank if you fit some tank. Retriever piloted by a very young char is a gank bait.
Fia Magrath
The Clown Inquisition
#7 - 2013-11-28 13:22:13 UTC
procurer is what my mining alt uses simply because its economically unviable to gank it.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-11-28 14:02:46 UTC
Point one about the Covetor: as mentioned above, it has the best raw yield, but its ore hold isn't large enough to be useful in solo situations. It can also field medium drones for defense, or carry two sets of drones (maybe one set of mining drones and one set of scout drones). It's not for newer solo players, though, because its ore hold can fill up in five minutes flat.

The Covetor and Retriever also share the problem of a paper-thin tank.

The Procurer doesn't have quite the yield of either, and its ore bay is only middling-sized, but its advantage is in the potentially massive shield tank it can mount. It won't earn out its cost as quickly as a Retriever, but it's a much more survivable platform, its yield is close enough to the other two barges to be a viable alternative, and it's the most affordable platform (a lot of people built Procurers for speculation during the run-up to the mining barge changes, and there's still something of a glut on the market, especially since the Procurer's so hard to kill; fewer replacements needed, as you can imagine).

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#9 - 2013-11-29 01:11:49 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
and the constant trips to station adds up to a LOT of lost income in the ships with smaller cargo holds.


Mining Barges (and the T2 Exhumers) are also much slower than Venture frigates, meaning that after each warp-to-station-and-back, you'll have to slowboat it into position again, in the belt. So that's one more benefit from not having to warp back to station so often.

AFAIK, Barges and Exhumers now also warp significantly slower than frigates, including the Venture mining frigate, so that's a factor as well.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-11-29 01:36:39 UTC
Salpad wrote:
after each warp-to-station-and-back, you'll have to slowboat it into position again, in the belt.


A good way around this is bookmark the spot you were at then warp directly to that instead of the belt.
Boba Shaw
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-11-29 04:08:07 UTC
I've only been in high sec thus far, so ganking isn't an issue but that also means valuable ores aren't as much of an option.

I'm still a few mil away from even the Procurer, so I have time to think on everyone's advice. I also read https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Advanced_mining

Does it make sense to actually get Mining Frigate to 4, if I can get a barge with 3?
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#12 - 2013-11-29 08:25:39 UTC
Boba Shaw wrote:
I've only been in high sec thus far, so ganking isn't an issue but that also means valuable ores aren't as much of an option.


Much to learn you have, young Padawan. Suicide Ganks occur only in Highsec. Highsec is not safe, forget that idea as fast as you can. Do not feel safe there. Its a trap.

Boba Shaw wrote:
I'm still a few mil away from even the Procurer, so I have time to think on everyone's advice. I also read https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Advanced_mining

Does it make sense to actually get Mining Frigate to 4, if I can get a barge with 3?


If you want to mine a bit in low for the kicks or mine gas, then yes Mining frig 4 is worth it.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-11-29 11:04:27 UTC
Boba Shaw wrote:
I've only been in high sec thus far, so ganking isn't an issue but that also means valuable ores aren't as much of an option.


If you would be so kind as to post the system you mine in I'm sure one of the forum readers would be nice enough to demonstrate the mechanics of suicide ganking Big smile
Boba Shaw
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-11-29 19:28:19 UTC
haha all very insightful to a noob like me. I guess until I join a corp I'll use a procurer... and get mining frigate 4 to keep options open while I still learn the mechanics. What's one day right? :D
Khoul Ay'd
The Affiliation
#15 - 2013-11-29 22:16:03 UTC
Boba Shaw wrote:
I've only been in high sec thus far, so ganking isn't an issue but that also means valuable ores aren't as much of an option.


Don't even begin to believe that, you can be ganked ANYWHERE ANYTIME.Pirate

The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#16 - 2013-11-29 22:31:33 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Boba Shaw wrote:
I've only been in high sec thus far, so ganking isn't an issue but that also means valuable ores aren't as much of an option.


If you would be so kind as to post the system you mine in I'm sure one of the forum readers would be nice enough to demonstrate the mechanics of suicide ganking Big smile


I'm pretty sure that people are running locator agents as we speak ^^
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-11-29 23:11:24 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Boba Shaw wrote:
I've only been in high sec thus far, so ganking isn't an issue but that also means valuable ores aren't as much of an option.


If you would be so kind as to post the system you mine in I'm sure one of the forum readers would be nice enough to demonstrate the mechanics of suicide ganking Big smile


I'm pretty sure that people are running locator agents as we speak ^^


Shhh... You're making it sound as if Eve players are insensitive to others feelings Twisted
Boba Shaw
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-11-29 23:55:05 UTC
I think everyone is nice on the forum, then in the game the same people are either nice or going to blow me up if I leave high-sec haha
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-11-30 03:41:32 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Boba Shaw wrote:
I think everyone is nice on the forum, then in the game the same people are either nice or going to blow me up if I leave high-sec haha


I think you're not getting the hint... You don't have to leave highsec for that to happen.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-11-30 09:12:58 UTC
Boba Shaw wrote:
I think everyone is nice on the forum, then in the game the same people are either nice or going to blow me up, haha


Fixed that for you.
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